 Poster: A snowHead
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| Burnsy wrote: |
......If you were concerned about the relatively small sums involved you wouldn't be involved in a fairly expensive hobby like skiing  |
Who said we were 'concerned'? The OP was about the 'true costs' of driving to the Alps. As invited, folk have been trying to provide best answers in their views. It's been rather amusing.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Talking of amusing achilles, I'm still waiting for a reply from this ->
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achilles, which bit do you disagree with? I have to say that "haha you're not an accountant" gives me nothing to argue against. I'm looking at what the cost is to me personally and think I have looked at *my* specific circumstances and tried to work it out, rather than just picking a figure of 30-50p a mile out of the air and using that because that's what someone says it costs. I'm discounting my standing costs for the purposes of working out the cost of my trip (becuase I have to pay these anyway) and then tried to work out the actual cost based on my attitude to depreciation (running my car in to the ground) and the performance/costs of my car. Isn't that a better way of doing it than using a general figure?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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We could have driven there and back by now 
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I have already posted this information at another thread but consider it relevant here as it is the "true cost" in my case
My record for my last few years skiing (unit in Sterling Pound)
Year- 2010- 2009- 2008- 2007- 2006
Crossing + fuel- 844- 655- 712- 681- 691
Accommodation- 1555- 1991- 554- 1014- 634
Ski pass- 360- 1066- 535- 416- 618
food- 710- 1465- 612- 612- 854
Non skiing expenditure- 0- 0- 300- 973- 105
Total- 3469- 5177- 2713- 3696- 2901
Pure skiing - 3469- 5177- 2413- 2723- 2797
No day skied- 12- 15- 11- 12- 14
cost /skiing day/couple- 289- 345- 219- 227- 207
The figures are NOT representative of an average skier because
(1) We normally do a 2 weeks trip. Except in 2008 we skied 3 weeks in Switzeralnd (you can tell from the unit cost).
(2) The cost is all in for a couple, without sharing cost with a third party.
(3) year 2010 figures are just a budget estimate for skiing Amade and Dolomiti in Mar 2010. The only unsure bits are the cost for fuel and food.
(4) We skied on an average 8 to 10 resorts in each trip, go anywhere in the Alps
(5) We spend on next to nothing on alcohol
(6) We dine out most of the time
(7) We stay at off-resort accommodations but ski the expensive places like Zermatt, Davos, St Moritz, Lech, Ischgl etc.
( We carry our own equipment and insist on having an ensuite double/twin room to ourselves.
(9) Most of the booked accommodations require a driving time of between 10 to 20 minutes to the chairlift stations.
(10) We would choose access points, resorts, countries and time of visit to avoid queues.
(11) Our way of skiing involves pay the premium for the ski pass by the market daily rate without any discount.
Thus for a £2500-£3000 skiing trip for a couple for two week the equivalent weekly cost per head would be £625-£750. In it there is a hidden saving of crossing the channel only only once. The depreciation of the vehicle is excluded.
Not suggesting the above for anyone. It is just a demonstration of another way to skin the cat.
Last edited by You need to Login to know who's really who. on Thu 10-09-09 22:10; edited 1 time in total
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Frosty the Snowman wrote: |
| We could have driven there and back by now |
2000 miles in about 32 hours!
That's an average of 62.5 MPH - with nothing allowed for rest stops!
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Burnsy,
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We'll do around 2hour stints each and the miles fly by. We did it in 21Hours (including ferry time) door to door in April this year leaving from the south of Glasgow to Les Contamines. I'm 2 miles from the start of the M74 and the next time I turn off the motorway it's at the La Fayet turnoff of the Autoroute Blanche.
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Shows how its different for different folk I live just West of Glasgow and wouldn't dream of trying to drive it in a oner. I have driven it for skiing holidays before (in two days) but am so knackered the weeek I get back any benefit of the holiday is lost.
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saikee, you sir are a true Snowhead. Outstanding record keeping. I just keep my lift passes 
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Frosty,
But I haven't told you that I started skiing in 1999 and only managed to keep a full set of records in the last few years for the Alpine trips.
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This thread is right up there with best of them!!...... Some truely outstanding contributions - I salute you. 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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saikee, don't ruin it.. nice one 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Now that we know the "true" costs of driving to the Alps -  - What exactly are we comparing it with?? Just looked at Easyjet for cost of flying family of 4 to Geneva from Luton, Feb half term week (cos we can only go in school hols) and its giving me a cost of £1496 including hold luggage, 2 prs skis and a snowboard. On top of that would need to add transfers and car parking. In our particular situation we happen to be quids in by going by car, and it also means we can load up the car with provisions for the week, and stop at a supermarket for beer and wine.
On the other hand, if you're lucky enough to be able to go outside of school holidays, you would probably get ridiculously cheap flights (or tour operator deals) which would make driving the less attractive option.
Fact is, we all make our choices based on our own situations, preferences and experiences, and as long as you're happy with the choice made, that's all that matters. Arguing about the best mode of transport, is a bit like arguing about the best way to slide down a mountain.
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I am about to fly to the Alps! £130.00 for 2 of us inclusive of car hire for 4 days, although I have not added car parking at Stansted and petrol and toll costs.
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You know it makes sense.
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ennalsj, best way to slide down a mountain? That would be on a snowboard then
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I was wondering, when trying to calculate my own costs, should I factor in an amount for the time it has taken my to read this thread
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I was wondering, when trying to calculate my own costs, should I factor in an amount for the time it has taken my to read this thread
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Depends. Opportunity cost. If the alternative was to stroll down the pub for a pint, then you're quids in.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Frosty the Snowman wrote: |
| We could have driven there and back by now |
2000 miles in about 32 hours!
That's an average of 62.5 MPH - with nothing allowed for rest stops! |
Not impossible, coming home after last season I drove L2A to Dunkerque in not much over 9 hours with one 20 minute loo+petrol stop and 2 other petrol stops. Ended up on the ferry two before the one I was booked one. Thats a bit over 900 km and I didn't drive at a stupid speed at any time.
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| Swirly wrote: |
| altis wrote: |
| Frosty the Snowman wrote: |
| We could have driven there and back by now |
2000 miles in about 32 hours!
That's an average of 62.5 MPH - with nothing allowed for rest stops! |
Not impossible, coming home after last season I drove L2A to Dunkerque in not much over 9 hours with one 20 minute loo+petrol stop and 2 other petrol stops. Ended up on the ferry two before the one I was booked one. Thats a bit over 900 km and I didn't drive at a stupid speed at any time. |
But the further you are going, the harder it becomes to maintain that sort of average speed.
You could do it for 550 miles, but could you have managed it for 2000?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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alex_heney, no reason why not with an extra driver, the ferry would drop the AVS though and my car might have died. OTOH the cars these people are driving get serviced every 12000 miles, are probably less than 13 years old and go faster than mine too.
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| ennalsj wrote: |
Now that we know the "true" costs of driving to the Alps - - What exactly are we comparing it with?? Just looked at Easyjet for cost of flying family of 4 to Geneva from Luton, Feb half term week (cos we can only go in school hols) and its giving me a cost of £1496 including hold luggage, 2 prs skis and a snowboard. On top of that would need to add transfers and car parking. In our particular situation we happen to be quids in by going by car, and it also means we can load up the car with provisions for the week, and stop at a supermarket for beer and wine.
On the other hand, if you're lucky enough to be able to go outside of school holidays, you would probably get ridiculously cheap flights (or tour operator deals) which would make driving the less attractive option.
Fact is, we all make our choices based on our own situations, preferences and experiences, and as long as you're happy with the choice made, that's all that matters. Arguing about the best mode of transport, is a bit like arguing about the best way to slide down a mountain.
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At last some common sense.
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