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More to the point, any new lifts opening up new terrain anywhere?
Most of the lift projects in the Alps at the moment merely seem to be upgrading existing lifts to offer more capacity.
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We're in Saalbach this week. No 'new' lifts, but there are a couple of upgrades going on. The beginners area next to the Kohlmais gondola is getting a chair (think it was a poma/drag?). In Hinterglemm the chair next to the Sportalm at the top of the Reiterkogel gondola is being re-built as an 8-man bubble chair. Crikey.
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chrisdavis, what's a bubble chair? (Going to Hinterglemm next year  .)
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think it was a poma/drag
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chrisdavis - It has been until now a T-bar. I'm surprised that they thought it needed a chair, although a beginner would no doubt disagree. I would rather have seen an upgrade to the T-bar on top of the Bernkogel or that old 2 seater chair that links with the Reiterkogel. Maybe next year. Hope that the new chair doesn't look too much of an eyesore compared with the old T-bar. By the way, have a great time, and say hello to Bobby!
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| maggi wrote: |
| chrisdavis, what's a bubble chair? (Going to Hinterglemm next year .) |
A new innovation where they mix gondolas with chairs on the same lift, so you can take two separate queues depending if you want to hop on a gondola or ski onto a chair. THere are quite a few of these springing up over the Alps.
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geepee, ah, yes, thanks, I know the ones you mean! Haven't heard them called that though.
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Marmot Basin.
No new (AFAIK) terrain but the longest express quad in the Albertan Canadian Rockies.
Funnily enough called the Canadian Rockies Express. Being assembled now.
Should be well shook down before I freeze my @rse to the seat.
John.
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Re-doing the Rendlbahn in St Anton, moving the base station a little nearer the Galzigbahn whilst they're at it so will remove the need for a bus/tow to get over there. Be interesting to see if it brings more people over to the Rendl slopes, tended to just be seasonnaires over there mostly.
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| Tatman's Tours wrote: |
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think it was a poma/drag
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chrisdavis - It has been until now a T-bar. I'm surprised that they thought it needed a chair, although a beginner would no doubt disagree. I would rather have seen an upgrade to the T-bar on top of the Bernkogel or that old 2 seater chair that links with the Reiterkogel. Maybe next year. Hope that the new chair doesn't look too much of an eyesore compared with the old T-bar. By the way, have a great time, and say hello to Bobby! |
There may be other work going on...that's all we've noticed while we've been up walking.
We've been rubbing shoulders with some of The Austrian Ski and Snowboard squads at the gym in Saalfelden we've been using. They are doing some scary things with weights......and tightropes 
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There may be other work going on
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They cost a bit don't they?! Copied from www.saalbach.com:
News for Winter 09/10:
Three (!) new lifts will be built this summer:
Turm 6-er replaces Turmlift:
6-er chairlift with orange panorama bubbles, heated seats and safety loops.
Investment volume: approx. 5,000,000 EUR
8-er Hasenauerköpfl replaces 4-er Hasenauerköpfl:
8-er chairlift with bubbles, heated seats,...
Investment volume: approx. 7,000,000 EUR
4-er SL Almbahn replaces Almlift (T-bar-lift) in Leogang:
4er chairlift
Investment volume: approx. 1,400,000 EUR
Additionally the lift companies will invest in vehicles, piste bashers, snow making, etc.
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| geepee wrote: |
| maggi wrote: |
| chrisdavis, what's a bubble chair? (Going to Hinterglemm next year .) |
A new innovation where they mix gondolas with chairs on the same lift, so you can take two separate queues depending if you want to hop on a gondola or ski onto a chair. THere are quite a few of these springing up over the Alps. |
Are you sure that is what he meant?
Those are usually called "chondolas" (horrible name), while what I have more commonly heard called "bubble chairs" are the chairlifts with closable covers.
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According to last year's piste map there will be a new 6 man chair in the Ellmau section of the Ski Welt, going from part way down run 88 to the top of the Hartkaiser.
That will mean people who don't like drags (88 is a T bar) can use the top part of that run, or people who use the drag will be able to return to the Hartkaiser more easily, because you currently have to use a very shallow slope to lift 96 - many people have to pole part of it.
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You know it makes sense.
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There was a comment on another thread about the Roseal (sp) chair in the 4th valley of 3V being replaced by a 6pack - can't see the reason.
Also in the 3V the slow 2 man out of Reberty, Etlele is being replaced with a chair, I believe starting lower and going higher but to a different spot, don't know what it means for the black Etele run?
Another 3V one I saw a note on the SKGB site saying that they're would be a new detachable chair between C1850 area and C1650 area, couldn't find anything on the Courchevel site, does this mean that they're replacing Praumel (sp) and Roc Mugner (sp)?
edited once for bad grammar
Last edited by You know it makes sense. on Thu 6-08-09 12:53; edited 1 time in total
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There is some building going on in the Espace Diamant (lifts and snow making), but no new territory as far as I am aware. Various "new territory" things have been under discussion for some time but there are major environmental hurdles - rightly - as well as financial ones. It astonishes me how much they are spending, in such difficult times. The skiing aspects of the domain seem to be doing fine, actually - I suspect it's more the restaurants and other beneficiaries of the spending on "holiday extras" which are feeling the pinch.
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Poster: A snowHead
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stevew, Yes, they're replacing the Roc Mugnier (and, I think extending it a few metres). They are removing Pramaruel (the slow chair that used to close for lunch!) and the poma at Combes. Interesting to see if it increases use of 1650 - which is normally very pleasantly quiet.
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Stevew - yep they are replacing the Rosael which is the lift out of the Orelle valley back to VT. Saw it last week - the old one has gone and they are in the middle of putting the new one in.
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In les arcs they're upgrading the arpette lift and getting rid of col de frettes, won't open up new areas but will improve the ease of dropping over the ridge into 2000
Being kings of the drivel on last season's snow report thread - we've created a whole thread relevant to this upgrade - http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=52299
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| Sitter wrote: |
| Re-doing the Rendlbahn in St Anton, moving the base station a little nearer the Galzigbahn whilst they're at it so will remove the need for a bus/tow to get over there. Be interesting to see if it brings more people over to the Rendl slopes, tended to just be seasonnaires over there mostly. |
i hope not its nice n quiet up there ...
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Is that peak to peak thing in whistler working yet?
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It is hard to believe how much money they spend on new lifts in Salzburg region, Austria.
New lifts in Zauchensee, Flachau, Saalbach, Zell am See, Wagrain, Bad Gastein, Maria Alm, etc.
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| kerekip wrote: |
It is hard to believe how much money they spend on new lifts in Salzburg region, Austria.
New lifts in Zauchensee, Flachau, Saalbach, Zell am See, Wagrain, Bad Gastein, Maria Alm, etc. |
Particlarly since (if what I was told last year is correct), in Austria they are not generally allowed to create truly new lifts unless they can justify them on grounds such a health & safety (e.g. if it will clear up particular bottlenecks which lead to overcrowded pistes in specific areas).
Which means most of what they are doing is upgrades/replacements/extensions of existing lifts.
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| alex_heney wrote: |
| kerekip wrote: |
It is hard to believe how much money they spend on new lifts in Salzburg region, Austria.
New lifts in Zauchensee, Flachau, Saalbach, Zell am See, Wagrain, Bad Gastein, Maria Alm, etc. |
Particlarly since (if what I was told last year is correct), in Austria they are not generally allowed to create truly new lifts unless they can justify them on grounds such a health & safety (e.g. if it will clear up particular bottlenecks which lead to overcrowded pistes in specific areas).
Which means most of what they are doing is upgrades/replacements/extensions of existing lifts. |
Last year they did build a completely new lift in Bad Gastein (the Senderbahn) to take people from Angertal Ski Centre up the Stubnerkogel. They did this to allow better movement of skiers around the mountain and it worked a treat. Before they built this lift, there was no direct lift from Angertal up to the Stubnerkogel summit.
This year, they're upgrading the Stubnerkogel Bahn which is the main lift in Bad Gastein. Anyone who's been skiing here will know this lift. They're changing everything by the sounds of it, larger cars, lower pylons, etc. They're hoping that the new lift won't get affected by the wind as much as the old one. I've not been out there this summer so I only have info from the net - anyone been there this summer and seen what theyre doing? Speedster, you been out to your place?
Cheers
Kersh
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If anyone happens to know where the French take their old pomas to be scrapped I'd be very interested to find out.
Our club is always on the look out for second hand spares so if you live near a Poma scrapyard tell me about it 
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Peter S, one being dismantled in Les Saisies, and replaced by a chair lift is being re-built in a location where it can provide "overspill" capacity to ease a bottleneck which tends to build up in peak holiday weeks at one of the essential chairs bringing skiers back from Notre Dame de Bellecombe. They'll only open it in peak weeks (there are several drag lifts like that; rarely used spare capacity). The last dismantled chairlift was re-used too (at least, the seats did) so it's good that there is some recycling going on. But if I come across a Poma graveyard, I'll let you know....
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Thanks Pam. Given the wholesale removal of poma drag lifts and their replacement each year with chairlifts, there must be somewhere they go before being put back into the blast furnace.
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Peter S, don't they go to Italy and when they have finished with them Bulgaria? 
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You know it makes sense.
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| Peter S wrote: |
If anyone happens to know where the French take their old pomas to be scrapped I'd be very interested to find out.
Our club is always on the look out for second hand spares so if you live near a Poma scrapyard tell me about it |
I was skiing in Argentina two summers ago and in one of the resorts the lift was the old bubble car that used to run up from Courchevel 1300 some years ago.
From what I recall the whole system had ben shipped over including pylons, cables and the bubbles. I am not sure about the buildings but no doubt the machinery was from the old system.
The bubbles are small compared to newer lifts and it did seem a bit strange to be sitting in a lift in Argentina that I had used before in France.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| alex_heney wrote: |
Are you sure that is what he meant?
Those are usually called "chondolas" (horrible name), while what I have more commonly heard called "bubble chairs" are the chairlifts with closable covers. |
That's the one.
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| kerekip wrote: |
It is hard to believe how much money they spend on new lifts in Salzburg region, Austria.
New lifts in Zauchensee, Flachau, Saalbach, Zell am See, Wagrain, Bad Gastein, Maria Alm, etc. |
Thats because austria is brilliant and they belive that by offering new, shiny, comfy, reliable, facilities people will go there..
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Arno, And after Bulgaria ...... Switzerland!
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| stanton wrote: |
| http://www.lift-world.info/en/lifts/new_lifts/page1.htm |
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Not that relevant - it seems to be lift projects that were completed in '08 for season '08/09 whereas this thread is all about lifts being completed in '09 for season 09/10.
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| bertie bassett wrote: |
| Not that relevant - it seems to be lift projects that were completed in '08 for season '08/09 whereas this thread is all about lifts being completed in '09 |
Read the site, its that not difficult to understand even if you do not understand German.
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| stanton wrote: |
| bertie bassett wrote: |
| Not that relevant - it seems to be lift projects that were completed in '08 for season '08/09 whereas this thread is all about lifts being completed in '09 |
Read the site, its that not difficult to understand even if you do not understand German. |
I did find the right page eventually, stanton is being the pedant here as he could have provided the right link!
What I found amusing was this entry for Tignes...
Place Ski resort Name of lift Country Type Lift manufacturer Year of construction Project-Status
tignes ???? ??-???? ???? ???? unconfirmed
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Some lifts in the Salzburg region (skiamde) are being put in to 'prep' for next years' new lifts...
From Flachau/Wagrain in 2010/11 there will be a cable car running from the mid station of the mozart lift to the Wagrain side of the mountain (Graffenburg).
So to prep for this they are re-building the gondola station in Wagrain and puttin gin a new chair lift rather than a mid-station in the exisitng gondola.
This means you can get the chair up, ski down to the cable car and then shoot accross the valley to Flachau.
This will then open up Flachau and Wagrain/Alpendorf... then there is a shuttle bus between Wagrain and Kleinarl... which links to Flahcau Winkl... and here they are upgrading the gondola and chair that take you from Flachau Winkl up to Zauchensee.
And.... Radstadt is finally getting an apres ski bar at the bottom of the lift! Lets hope it isn't as bad as the old one!!
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| stanton wrote: |
| bertie bassett wrote: |
| Not that relevant - it seems to be lift projects that were completed in '08 for season '08/09 whereas this thread is all about lifts being completed in '09 |
Read the site, its that not difficult to understand even if you do not understand German. |
I see that the webmaster is a fan of innovative 70s Krautrock. He's put the logo for his favourite band next to each line.
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Rendlbahn (St Anton) and Muggengratbahn (Zurs) being replaced. From Stanton's comments in another thread, it appears that the only new lift allowed in Austria are those that got permits a while ago, or are replacements.
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Zermatts extending the Matterhorn-Express so it runs all the way through to trocknersteg, replacing the need to ski from schwarzee to the chair at furg. Basically replacing that well old blue cable car they used to have.
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