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From Bloomberg:
Main points, no hold luggage. The hold will only be used when the over head lockers are full 
Potentially they may ban the carrying of ski's
June 23 (Bloomberg) -- Ryanair Holdings Plc, Europe’s largest low-cost airline, will bar passengers from traveling with anything other than hand luggage as it seeks to cut costs.
Ryanair plans to offer an “unlimited” allowance for carry-on bags that comply with government size limits while abolishing checked luggage from next spring, Chief Executive Officer Michael O’Leary said today. The airline anticipates savings of 20 million euros a year ($28 million).
“We’re going to move away from check-in luggage to more carry-on luggage,” O’Leary said at a press briefing in London.
“This isn’t the end of civilization as we know it, it only sounds revolutionary. I can assure you it’s not.”
Ryanair is already scrapping airport check-in desks for passengers from Oct. 1, compelling people to register for flights via the Dublin-based company’s Web site. According to O’Leary’s new rule on baggage, passengers must carry all belongings onto the plane themselves and only when overhead lockers become full will items be stowed in the cargo hold.
The U.K. Civil Aviation Authority said it won’t consider the case until Ryanair gives notice that it will go ahead with the change. BAA Ltd., which owns airports including London Stansted, Ryanair’s biggest U.K. base, said it will look at the proposal in more detail.
“Currently every airport has a different policy on hand luggage depending on their unique requirements,” spokesman Stuart Butchers said in an e-mailed statement. “These policies are negotiated on a unilateral basis between the airport operator, airlines and the Department for Transport.”
Ski Ban?
The transport department told Bloomberg News it’s only responsible for size restrictions on carry-on bags, which must measure no more than 56 centimeters by 45 centimeters by 25 centimeters. O’Leary said at the briefing that people may no longer be able to transport items such as skis, before adding that details have yet to be finalized.
Ryanair says that about 70 percent of customers already avoid checking bags. Passengers are currently allowed to carry aboard one item of luggage per trip weighing no more than 10 kilos. The carrier charges 20 euros to check in a bag weighing up to 15 kilograms at the airport. It has an excess baggage charge of 15 euros per kilo, so that a 20 kilogram case costs 95 euros to stow.
British Airways Plc, Europe’s third-biggest airline, said separately today that it was introducing a “Value Calculator”
on its Web site to allow people to compare its fares with prices at Ryanair and EasyJet Plc, Europe’s No. 2 discount carrier.
Additional Fees
Passengers can pay as much as 375 pounds ($615) in extra fees for a round trip with Ryanair and 79 pounds with EasyJet, British Airways said in a statement. As a full-service carrier, the London-based company says the price of its tickets covers free booking, ticketing, baggage check in and food and drink.
“The no frills carriers claim they’re always cheaper”
Richard Tams, BA’s head of sales for the U.K. and Ireland, said in the statement. “Our calculator shows they are not.”
Still, British Airways Chief Executive Officer Willie Walsh says in the latest edition of employee circular ‘BA News’ that charging for items historically included in the ticket price is “an area we need to look at.” He said the company will stop short of short-term measures that might damage the brand.
O’Leary said today he’s also freezing capacity growth at Ryanair’s nine U.K. bases in protest at travel taxes. A 10- pound tax on each passenger is making Britain “an uncompetitive destination,” he said, adding that the charge will cost jobs and hurt tourist revenue.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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All good fun. I travelled on a few flights years ago on which you carried your own luggage out to the 'plane; Athens airport ran like that at one time. At least you know your luggage made it as far, if not actually onto, the 'plane.
If the BA 'value calculator' is correct, it'll be handy. At the times I want to fly on hol, Ryanair and Eayjet are usually no cheaper than BA and the like.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Did anyone go skiing before Ryanair ? How did we cope ?!
It's a big, cheap, flying bus, not aimed at skiers - yer pays yer money...
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The ferry companies must love him.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Gotta like O'Leary's style... his target market moan and whinge like crazy but still stand in line to cough up more money and take more abuse.
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| Jerry wrote: |
Did anyone go skiing before Ryanair ? How did we cope ?!
It's a big, cheap, flying bus, not aimed at skiers - yer pays yer money... |
I have long thought so. BA is a basket case with pricing wholly unconnected to its (lack of) profitability - so how long it can keep going remains to be seen. Easyjet has become the standard airline for European destinations, for me.
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^ precisely, does anyone actually use Ryanair to go skiing?
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I feel sorry for those who have no alternative flights.
On ski carriage - IMHO, for the average UK skier, most of the time, taking your own skis is an unnecessary hassle and renting in resort will be a better total experience anyway.
Boots might be tricky in hand luggage but you can always wear team and put the trainers in the bag.
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Cannot see this working with a plane load of skiers to Friedrichshafen, LOL !!
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| achilles wrote: |
| Jerry wrote: |
Did anyone go skiing before Ryanair ? How did we cope ?!
It's a big, cheap, flying bus, not aimed at skiers - yer pays yer money... |
I have long thought so. BA is a basket case with pricing wholly unconnected to its (lack of) profitability - so how long it can keep going remains to be seen. Easyjet has become the standard airline for European destinations, for me. |
???? not for me... I only go EJ if I have to and wouldn't go Ryanair at all...
BA and Swiss are the 1st sites I'd look up...after the train.
EJ are the last resort..
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JT, to each his own. I used the train to get to the Alps in 2 out of my 3 trips last season. But that had a lot to do with avoidance of airport security hassle rather than being put off by any specific airline.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I travelled on a few flights years ago on which you carried your own luggage out to the 'plane;
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Al Qaeda would love that!
"You packed your bag yourself sir?"
"I sure have ma'am!"
Can Ryanair really live simply off passengers with only carry-on luggage?
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Kruisler, quite so. Athens airport in the 80s was not the most secure place on the planet. Their only concession to security was a little tank parked outside the main building; other than that, it was a free for all, at a time when hijacking was quite fashionable.
As for Ryanair, I'm surprised that they think that ruling out people who need to take more than acarry on bag is good business, but they seem to have done OK so far despite business practices which many people would regard as counter productive.
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You know it makes sense.
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I use BA wherever possible. Better value, less hassle, better service.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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davejsy, have you got the link to this story?
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Poster: A snowHead
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beanie1, it's off my bloomberg terminal at work so no link I can paste on here. I'd guess it must be on the bloomberg website somewhere though if you do a search.
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I use BA wherever possible. Better value, less hassle, better service.
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I'm the same, shame they seem to be struggling a bit at the moment - guess it must be the same for all of them though, as RA cost cutting measures show.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| davejsy wrote: |
beanie1, it's off my bloomberg terminal at work so no link I can paste on here. I'd guess it must be on the bloomberg website somewhere though if you do a search.
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I use BA wherever possible. Better value, less hassle, better service.
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I'm the same, shame they seem to be struggling a bit at the moment |
A bit???
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British Airways makes worst ever loss
• Pre-tax loss of £401m almost double what many predicted
• Willie Walsh says he sees no signs of economic recovery |
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| - guess it must be the same for all of them though, as RA cost cutting measures show. |
Nope (from the Half yearly 06 May 2009 results)
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| easyJet is financially strong, with cash and money market deposits as at 31 March 2009 exceeding £1 billion |
though the half-year figures could have been better, their situation is nothing like as dire as BA's.
IIRC Ryaniar losses stem from their holding in Aer Lingus.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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richmond,
Agreed on Ryanair, they've done well so far so they must be right, but I can't help being dubious.
The article says that by Ryanair's own figures, effectively 30% of their passengers still check-in some bagages. Can they afford to loose those 30% or even just 10% ?
Will the cost savings really by so much that they can scrap potentially so much of their revenue?
Personally I use them only when left with no other options. I am flying for leisure 90% of the time, and usually for week(s) long trips or ski trips. So if they implement tha trule thay have lost me as a customer, irrespective of what I think of them...
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I'll only use them like a bus service when I dont have bags for popping over and back from Ireland to England. I factor all the costs when I plan a ski trip and they have priced themselves out of the market for me and my skis, bikes, bags etc.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| under a new name wrote: |
I feel sorry for those who have no alternative flights.
On ski carriage - IMHO, for the average UK skier, most of the time, taking your own skis is an unnecessary hassle and renting in resort will be a better total experience anyway.
Boots might be tricky in hand luggage but you can always wear team and put the trainers in the bag. |
I agree taking skis is a hassle, and I longer have to cart mine about, but when I did, as a person of petite stature (ok, yes a pixie!) finding suitable skis in hire shops was a nightmare. If I wanted something decent they were too long, if I got something in the correct length, they were usually meant for kids or beginners.
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I sometimes think that he just does this for the publicity. It remains to be seen whether this or the toilet thing will actually be implimented.
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Simples. Use Ryanair for short trips with an overnight bag only and other carriers for ski trips and longer trips. Works fine for me. Different carriers have different strong points after all.
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Last time I travelled Ryanair there was no space in the overhead lockers as it was so I doubt they can effectively implement this change.
Is their cargo business more profitable than the passenger service? Perhaps they should just carry cargo in the cabin too.
Last edited by After all it is free  on Wed 24-06-09 13:12; edited 1 time in total
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I shall be using Ryanair for the first time this Friday. I shall reserve any judgement or opinion until then.
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| queen bodecia wrote: |
| Simples. Use Ryanair for short trips with an overnight bag only and other carriers for ski trips and longer trips. Works fine for me. Different carriers have different strong points after all. |
Yes. In fact it almost sounds like an implicit pact with easyJet.
You take the hefty luggage, we'll take the weekenders, and nobody has to get hurt, capiche?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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"capisce" or better, as it's one company to another - more than one person - then it's "capite"
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Best thing about BA....?? T5 ..esp with club rights...
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I'm travelling BA club on Friday, is the new exec lounge at T5 good then JT?
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You know it makes sense.
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| I'm travelling BA club on Friday, is the new exec lounge at T5 good then JT? |
Very nice, although not quite as good as the Concorde Club Room (for 1st class) 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I heard there's a spa, do you know how that works?
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| beanie1 wrote: |
| I heard there's a spa, do you know how that works? |
The Elemis Travel Spa (or is it Molton Brown?) offers massages and other kinds of stuff like manicures, aroma therapy. Each session is pretty short, but helps pass the time between check-in and blast-off. As soon as you arrive go to the Spa reception to book a slot as it's first come, first served (when you enter the lounge I think you turn right to head towards the Spa).
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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beanie1, I thought so... but whether I would pay for it is another thing...
Courtesy of Arno and Kitenski...in my case...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I dislike using Ryanair because they (and their kind) treat you like idiots. This further underlines the contempt with which they view their customers.
They really are the Ratners of air travel. Screw 'em.
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You get what you pay for. I think Ryanair will eventually go down the pan.
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Blimey:
Ryanair: £375.00 EXTRA*
Easyjet: £79.85 EXTRA*
BA: NO EXTRA CHARGE*
I knew Ryanair had loads of hidden charges but £375
For me it just confirms my choice to avoid them like the plague because with extras charged at that level they're stupidly expensive (and by all accounts you're treated like cattle)!
Easyjet I can cope with (and often do!) and if the initial fare is cheap enough it makes them competitive with 'only' £79.85 extra charged.
However, BA are not as wonderful as they'd like to make out - I'm still smarting from being forced at Xmas to repack all my families bags in front of the check in on the way back to the UK because one was just under 0.5 KG over their 23KG single bag limit. This being despite the fact we were overall about 20KG under our total limit. Having a BA person sitting in front of us saying "computer says you can repack or pay excess on that bag" umpteen times didn't endear them to me I have to admit! Never had that hassle with Easyjet (or Virgin, which when mentioned seemed to wind her up a great deal, lol) so BA have a way to go on the customer service front IMHO!
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I'm still smarting after BA bumped me off the half term flight I'd booked and payed for 11 months earlier. I only got on it after waiting for everyone else to check in leaving very little time to get to the gate. BA are very far from perfect either.
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I think now that the budget airline market is rather overcrowded, Ryanair are trying to find a niche. For weekends away with an overnight bag only, it makes perfect and very affordable sense.
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| roga wrote: |
Blimey:
Ryanair: £375.00 EXTRA*
Easyjet: £79.85 EXTRA*
BA: NO EXTRA CHARGE*
I knew Ryanair had loads of hidden charges but £375
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That is if you are really stupid only. It is the maximum extra charge, where all the most expensive options are chosen.
Go for more common options - paying by credit card (most people don't have electron), online check in, one 15Kg bag (which is all most short haul airlines allow now) and no food & drink, and it is down to £30 extra (£18.95 with EJ).
By far the largest part of the initial extra is down to excess baggage charges - £260 for a 23Kg bag instead of £20 for a 15Kg bag.
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