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Alpine Experience has, apparently, begrudgingly withdrawn accusations and publicly apologised to the Ski Club of Great Britain, on the AE news blog, for the 'shenanigate affair'
Quote: "We’ve had plenty of comments from a certain Ski Club Member who seems pretty upset by the wording in my March 6th news update. I apologise for the use of the word ‘shenanigans’ and the fact that Andreas seemed to think that the group of 12 Ski Club of Great Britain Members was one group, when in fact it was a couple of groups grouped together. I was also wrong in stating that SCGB Reps are not allowed to ski off-piste with members. They are allowed but as I understand it they must stay within reasonably easy access to the piste."..." "
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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OMG did someone say "shenanigans"?!?!?!?!
this bit is great:
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| Andreas seemed to think that the group of 12 Ski Club of Great Britain Members was one group, when in fact it was a couple of groups grouped together |
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Yes but the question is, "how grouped together can groups be before they constitute one group - is there such a thing as 'a little bit grouped together'?"
There's something for members to look forward to at the next SCGB AGM
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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sounds like a fun "group"...where do I sign up? 
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Do they have dirty scrabble?
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....or was it one group that formed two cliques?
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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One group was passing the other but stopped to help a fallen skier. For that moment the two groups were linked.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Is there actually anyone under the age of 60 that is a member of the SCGB? Surely the only shenanigans they get up to consists of putting their bumbags on the wrong way round
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Morrissey, Tremendous first post. You'll fit in nicely around here. Welcome.....
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Easy tiger. The SKGB might ensure you get a slap on the patio. 
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You know it makes sense.
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Morrissey, Great first post not so sure about the music
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Morrissey, that's right. SnowHeads appeals to a younger demographic. How us 50-somethings chortle at cracks like that!
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Morrissey wrote: |
| Is there actually anyone under the age of 60 that is a member of the SCGB? ...... |
Probably. I am over 60 - and left the SCGB because of its ageist holiday programme policy. OTOH - I get a bit bored of bashing the SCGB being seen as a snowheads' bonding thing. sHs don't seem to be able to grow out of that - so perhaps we are more juvenile - in attitude at least.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I thank you all, I aim to please, I danced my legs down to my knees. Now I really must rest if I am to make the Brixton gig on Friday (under doctors orders). I guess my longing for the slopes of Califonria is the cause of my vocal vexation.
Fatbob, "you can pin and mount me like a butterfly"...................
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| sahsah wrote: |
Alpine Experience has, apparently, begrudgingly withdrawn accusations and publicly apologised to the Ski Club of Great Britain, on the AE news blog, for the 'shenanigate affair'
Quote: "We’ve had plenty of comments from a certain Ski Club Member who seems pretty upset by the wording in my March 6th news update. I apologise for the use of the word ‘shenanigans’ and the fact that Andreas seemed to think that the group of 12 Ski Club of Great Britain Members was one group, when in fact it was a couple of groups grouped together. I was also wrong in stating that SCGB Reps are not allowed to ski off-piste with members. They are allowed but as I understand it they must stay within reasonably easy access to the piste."..."" |
Interesting stuff must have gone on in the background to lead to such an apology and so long after events. A nasty legal letter maybe? "Shenanigans" is a pretty tame and almost meaningless term and it's pretty pathetic that anyone could get upset enough by it to put the frighteners on another party and successfully draw attention to the whole affair once again after it had been long forgotton. That's called an own goal isn't it? A guide saw what he saw and felt strongly about it. It's been explained since but dragging the subject up again as a result of applying legal or commercial pressure merely reminds us onlookers to doubt the explanation.
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If I buy SCGB membership from a ski club rep on the piste at Hemel will I get 18 months membership for the price of 12?? 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Boredsurfing wrote: |
| If I buy SCGB membership from a ski club rep on the piste at Hemel will I get 18 months membership for the price of 12?? |
Less of your shenanigans please
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Bode Swiller, or perhaps AE realised that they had been twits who had misinterpreted the situation and blogged first and asked questions later?
snowHead in a coma I know..., Strangely - I seem to ski with younger people when I ski with the SCGB than I do when I ski with snowHeads. Look at the membership demographics in the last annual SCGB report if you can be bothered to look at the facts rather than trot out tired cliches.
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Bode Swiller,
I think your speculation of commercial or legal pressure is way off the mark. I believe there has been a debate on the SCGB Chat pages that has concluded that a vast number of the assumptions made by an AE guide were wrong, and that accusations of wrongdoing by AE of the SCGB skiing members & rep in the public domain were wrong. Alpine Experience has acknowledged wrongdoing in making an apology. Perhaps you should question the motives of AE in delaying the apology until the end of the season when readers of their news blog are inevitably less.
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sahsah, I'm not privvy to the SCGB forum. It's just the way it looks to an outsider.
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| sahsah wrote: |
| Perhaps you should question the motives of AE in delaying the apology until the end of the season when readers of their news blog are inevitably less. |
maybe they had better things to do?
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| Arno wrote: |
| .....maybe they had better things to do? |
As opposed to when they wrote the original story, when it was whizzo fun to bash another organization, seen as opposition.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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achilles, How can they be seen as opposition? One is a commercial organisation with highly trained, highly qualified professionals, whereas one, errmm, isn't
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Guvnor, quite. So why the righteous squawk in the first place? Because the commercial organisation with highly trained, highly qualified professionals saw punters enjoying themselves and not paying the commercial organisation with highly trained, highly qualified professionals. Who therefore saw their business being less prosperous in a season when professional takings were down - who - in other words, may have seen the SCGB as opposition to the commercial organisation with highly trained, highly qualified professionals?
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achilles, From what I remember of the blog, there was some concern as to the actual safety of the situation as they saw it at the time.....clearly, and following who knows what intervention, this situation has been clarified and the concerns withdrawn
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You know it makes sense.
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achilles, it was a few lines on a blog which somehow has been blown up into "shenanigate" - big deal!
all the OP has done is reminded people of a story they would otherwise have forgotten about and in the meantime make the SCGB look petty
it hasn't done anything to change my views of the repping service (which is one of indifference)
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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The quote may contain the word "apologise" but the rest of the quote doesn't give the impression of an apology.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Arno, I don't care whether you are indifferent to the repping service - I may never use it again either, especially since I am no longer a member. I am disappointed that some sHs still enjoy bashing the SCGB, though, and have used this thread to do so, especially in a case where SCGB members seem to have been doing the right thing (helping a fallen skier).
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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achilles, fair enough but I do think the OP provided a big wide open goal for SCGB bashers to shoot at
i should clarify that my first post was a comment on the silliness of the story than necessarily representative of my views on the SCGB generally 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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achilles,
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some sHs still enjoy bashing the SCGB
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and the words David and Goldsmith are surprisingly absent
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| some sHs still enjoy bashing the SCGB |
Indeed. Why does an irrelevant organization full of hooray henrys get such coverage here? I know SHs formed as a split-off from the SCGB forum but that was over five years ago.
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Sideshow_Bob, interesting question. But in the way you respond - you partly answer the question.
Not sure I can remember skiing with any Hooray Henrys on 6 club holidays, or when skiing with reps. Actually a rather similar cross section to the snowHeads groups I have skied with. And as regards the age bit mentioned by Mozzer 52% of members known to be below 45, >75% below 55.
But let's not get the facts get in the way, let's perpetuate an out-dated 70's class-warrior view that the SKGB are a bunch of elderly toffs. Chips back on both shoulders everyone!
Frosty the Snowman, spot on. Interestingly - I believe the SKGB does use AE guides for one of its holidays. I wonder if it will continue to do so...
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| stoatsbrother wrote: |
Not sure I can remember skiing with any Hooray Henrys on 6 club holidays, or when skiing with reps. Actually a rather similar cross section to the snowHeads groups I have skied with. |
That's pretty much my experience as well, but stereotyping is soo much fun isnt it? 
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Got to say I'm on achilles, side of the road with regard to SCGB-bashing. Take the p*ss, OK but the band-wagon, bashing gets monotonous.
(Hello stoatsbrother, are you back then ??)
Also interesting how stats can be used:
If someone stated that, then there's a reasonable assumption it's less than 80%. So conversely it could be stated as 'over 20% of SCGB members are over 55'.
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My experiences come solely from listening to the groups and reps braying on in restaurants at lunchtime about how amazing their skiing is and calling Tarquin and Tabatha back in the office to harp on about how legend their trip is. They then go out and ski in the most appalling fashion. I guess in that respect it's not too different from a SHs bash 
I've skied for 20 years, most of it at a reasonable standard, and I've also skied with a number of rather good skiers and I've never once seen the advantage that being a member of the SCGB would bring either me or them. There are plenty of other organizations that run trips tailored to one's standard, SHs being just one of them, and these don't require paid membership. I have no qualm with the existence of the club nor anyone who joins it but I do get annoyed when I hear about SCGB acting as the representative body for British skiers or talk about their members and the general British skier as interchangeable.
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| 666 wrote: |
Also interesting how stats can be used:
If someone stated that, then there's a reasonable assumption it's less than 80%. So conversely it could be stated as 'over 20% of SCGB members are over 55'. |
It is interesting: here's another one:
The proportion of the population over 60 was, in 2007, just under 20%.
If less than 25% of SCGB members are over 55, it may have a younger age profile than the population at large.
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I'm an old fart .. my only exposure to the SKGB it the senseless, rude, personalised kicking of shoite out of fellow SKGB members that has happened on this forum. Gawd knows ( and why would I want to be a member after that gratuous self-flagellation) what their behaviour is like behind their own walls. Why would anyone want to find out ?
Not a  SCGB-bashing bash, personalised reactions to (some of) their members' behaviour here which one can only assume is representative of the organisation itself..
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