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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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gessuss, welcome to snowheads, better late than never.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Oh dear, plyometrics.
Not for the unfit; it involves fast asymetric movements. Even the fit have an injury risk with plyometrics.
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Welcome, gessuss, I will stay with Jogging, Sit ups, Rowing and Biking. The regime seems difficult to me, however no pain no gain!!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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gessuss, welcome to snowheads!
Much of your workout concentrates on core stability, which is necessary for skiing, so those bits are good. The ones focusing on upper body strength aren't really necessary for skiing. Most recreational skiiers spend far more time on their feet than they ever will lugging around their skis, so ideally you want instead to get a high proportion of leg strengthening exercises (quads, hamstrings, calves).
As a matter of interest, who prepared the workout? Was it designed for skiing? A lot of it looks more like the training I do for rowing, a sport which DOES involve a lot of the upper body!
I agree with john wells - plyometrics need to be performed carefully with good form, otherwise even fit folk can easily injure themselves doing it. But taken carefully, with good form, and without rushing it, even unfit slobs can have a go.
But on top of your workout you're still going to need add a minimum of 3x30min per week cardiovascular training - running/cycling/rowing/stepping etc.
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I really can't understand all the focus some people put on strength and fitness for skiing. Downhill only skiing (ski touring/ski mountaineering is different obviously) really doesn't require much of either - if you can jog 2 miles on the flat in 20mins or whatever, you're definitely fit enough for skiing - if you get seriously out of breath or 2nd day leg aches from downhill skiing then you should worry more about improving your technique than your fitness.
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I think you over estimate people Plake...... I know alot of people who would need to stop multiple times during 2 mile/20min run....
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Quads, hamstrings, hip abductors. That should do it
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if you can jog 2 miles on the flat in 20mins or whatever, you're definitely fit enough for skiing
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Are you kidding!!!??? So that's about 15-20% (I reckon) of adult society under 50 in UK. You're probably right, though, that if you can do that you'll be fine running down the pistes for 5 or 6 days. Fortunately I fall into the 15-20%, but only because I'm naturally quite light, play football once a week (to no great standard), am generally stubborn and have reasonably good stamina. My wife (who used to sprint for her school team) would struggle to run more than 1/4 mile without falling over.
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gessuss, welcome to snowheads!
Much of your workout concentrates on core stability, which is necessary for skiing, so those bits are good. The ones focusing on upper body strength aren't really necessary for skiing. Most recreational skiiers spend far more time on their feet than they ever will lugging around their skis, so ideally you want instead to get a high proportion of leg strengthening exercises (quads, hamstrings, calves).
As a matter of interest, who prepared the workout? Was it designed for skiing? A lot of it looks more like the training I do for rowing, a sport which DOES involve a lot of the upper body!
I agree with john wells - plyometrics need to be performed carefully with good form, otherwise even fit folk can easily injure themselves doing it. But taken carefully, with good form, and without rushing it, even unfit slobs can have a go.
But on top of your workout you're still going to need add a minimum of 3x30min per week cardiovascular training - running/cycling/rowing/stepping etc. |
You are right about the upper workout, I put it because it helps me to keep the muscular tone, and you are right again with the cardio, I do 40 mins running twice a week 
It wasn't my intention to put a full programme, I prefer to leave it in hands of professional trainers. I think it is irresponsible to put a general training programme that anybody can try to use. Serious training has to be taylored for the skier using physical tests, blood analysis, etc.
About the plyometrics, well, I can't see them as being any riskier than exercises with medium/high weights.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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gessuss, quite a response you got there.
BTW, except for the very VERY recreational skiers who allow gravity to shuss them down gentle blue runs from one mountain bar to another, Plake's talking absolute bollox.
Jogging for short distances of only 2miles will make you better at jogging short distances. It will have a minimal effect on your cardiovascular ability on the slopes (i.e. your puff), but actually does very little to improve the fitness required for skiing. Jogging for skiing is ok as far as it goes but it needs to go further than 2miles, and it needs to include speedwork. This is because skiing is, typically, an anerobic activity (short high speed bursts where the body is operating without oxygen, followed by a period of rest, repeat as necessary), while jogging is aerobic (the opposite).
For the majority of us who like to bash around the pistes and enjoy a bit of a challenge, some reasonably serious fitness is necessary. For starters the balance necessary for skiing relies in the main on your core strength. Then there's the up & down workout your calves, hamstrings, and thighs get, and so it's important that they're strong enough to withstand the constant pressure changes.
Which is why "all the focus some people put on strength and fitness for skiing".
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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gessuss, plyometrics require fast movements. If you strength train with weights you should be moving the weights slowly as this is more effective and safer. The difference is speed of movement and it is the fast movements which are most likely to cause injury. With slow movements you can stop as soon as a problem arises which enables you to avoid the injury. With fast movements the injury is done before you can stop.
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Manda, you are entitled to disagree with me, as anyone is of course, but I think your comment about "total bollox" probably reflects the fact that according to your Skier Profile you've only done about 4wks skiing, so a lot of the time you may be on terrain that is tough for you. In this case fitness will help, but it's just patching over lack of technique and relaxation. I'm sure you will agree with me in a few years time....
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You know it makes sense.
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Plake, now that comment was seriously condescending. Experienced skier, intermediate or relative beginner the problem is not running out of puff. Your jogging two miles is an aerobic activity and has little relevance to downhill skiing. If any style of fitness is required it is muscle strength and muscle endurance. Of course, for a skier who has excellent technique and does not wish to push, hardly any level of fitness of any kind is required.
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