 Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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arv, I just saw that. I also noticed the spelling mistake on the photo caption 
Hope everyone is okay.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Buachaille Etive Mor - one of my favourite mountains. 
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laundryman, and mine. Can't get the link to open at the moment.
[edit] Got it. Let's hope for good news.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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bbc now reporting three climbers have died. Very sad
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ickabodblue, 
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ickabodblue, Thats very sad news.
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Also a big slide on Aonach Mor on the East edge of the Nid Ridge, seems to have been a natural slide with no people involved. Beware, and stay safe, avalanche risk is only going to be higher tomorrow. Very sad news from the Buachaille, apparently two unrelated groups caught up.
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I belive the avi risk has been posted as very high, so lets hope that people take note. A very sad situation in an area I know well.
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I find it hard to come to terms with something like this as I don't usually associate Scotland with being particularly dangerous in terms of slides as most of my skiing is done in or around the pisted areas. (Obviously apart from someone being caught on the Fly paper at Glencoe a while back.. Haggis Trap can probably give a little more info if anyone is interested).
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Just got back from Glencoe and saw part of the rescue. The conditions were terrible with heavy snow showers giving white out conditions at times. We watched the Royal Navy Rescue helicopter try to get up the Buachaille and have to turn back because of the conditions. He landed, gave it a few more minutes then he managed to get up the mountain between a gap in the weather, seriously dangerous flying conditions.
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Mate, these guys aren't stupid. They have families and they won't go if it's too risky. Not surprised to hear that they set down and waited.
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A very good friend of mine died when an RAF chopper struck the hillside with it's rotor blades on a rescue just like this.
As careful as the pilots are these things do still happen and hats off to the men and women who still fly on days like this to rescue others.
Sad sad news about the three dead
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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fastandicy, was that the incident near Crianlarach a few years back? I was talking to a guy last summer who had been out on that rescue and witnessed the chopper accident. He said that it played on his mind for years.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Elizabeth B, Ben More 1987 is the one i'm referring to. Dunno if that's the one you mean.
Was the guy you were talking to one of the Killin mountain rescue team? If so that'll probably be the one. The rest of the team watched it happen. My dad was a member of the team and Harry a very good family friend who tragically died.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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We were up at glencoe skiing on saturday and didn't hear about this until we got home... sad sad news
worrying thing is though, is that there were notices up at the lifts and on notice board at the ski area about flypaper being closed due to the high risk. I still managed to have a conversation with a couple of different lads who had both decided that the avi risk was "a load of rubbish" and that they had both been down flypaper a couple of times on saturday. idiots...
just say they had been caught in a slide on a closed area with hardly anyone going past that way!
condolences to any family or friends of the climbers...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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fastandicy, yeah, that's the one. The guy wasn't a member of the Killin team, but was in the area and had volunteered to help in the search. It's easy to forget the real risk that MRT members put themselves in to help others.
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Very sad news indeed but given the amount of snow no great surprise sadly.
We heard about it from the ski patrol at Glencoe, apparently one of the Glencoe staff members had been called out to help. I think they mobilised every qualified/experienced person they could find to help in the search.
We then saw the rescue operation and helicopters as we were heading down to Fort William at the end of the day.
Not sure if anyone can enlighten me but it seems that climbers don't carry shovels, probes and transceivers - why is this?
It strikes me they might have been able to dig people out far faster if they had this equipment - one of the party has talked about spending half an hour digging someone out with his bare hands, how much quicker would it have been with a shovel?
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roga, such kit would rarely be carried by winter climbers, where keeping carried gear to a minimum can itself be a necessity for safety. Unlike skiers, climbers to not seek out the most snow loaded slopes, thus avoidance and route selection are the weapons of choice against avalanche danger. It seems from accounts in the public domain that this was more of a walking accident than a climbing one with the larger group caught up.
Probes, shovels and beacons offer no protection against trauma in an avalanche. The odds are if your caught you'll end up dead one way or the other. A lesson perhaps Scottish Skiers need to learn before it's too late?
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Yeah, I can see the logic of what you say but surely if there's any danger, and there most definitely is in the winter, it'd be a potential lifesaver to at least carry a probe and shovel?
What's the drill in the Alps, is it different to what happens in Scotland?
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