 Poster: A snowHead
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I am looking for a ski to use only on piste (groomed runs - blue, red and black).
So I am looking for people with experience with one or more of the skis, that I am looking at.
I am looking mainly at 3 different skis:
Fischer RX8 Fire
Atomic SX10
Dynamic VR 21
The ski must be able to make both short and long turns - and be stable at high speeds...
I believe the Dynamic should be the most versatile ski (it is a category "Cross ski"). Also the Dynamic has tested very well (VIP-ski) at http://www.skimagazin.de/Skitest.html - 2008, saison 08/09, category High Performance, Medium Turns. But in general I do not know anything about Dynamic skis.
I am afraid the Fischer RX8 will not be as versatile as the Fischer RX8 Fire (radius 13m at 165 cm) will be difficult to make long turns on, and that the speed limit will be too low.
Atomic - is the SX10 considered a ski for advanced/expert skiers ? I am afraid, that it will not be able to cope with the speed and energy ?
I am a level 8/9/10 skier and weigh around 180 and around 6"0 high.
Which ski would you recommend ??? - and what length ???
Hoping for some answers and assistance 
BR,
Thomas
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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ladefoged86, I would pick none of the above for you.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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had the sx10s last weekend - LOVED them, I am pretty heavy (95kilos/) which I find makes a difference. They were certainly quick enough, good hardpack grip and a nice kickback bounce when pushed. I also had a (very brief) run on the RX8 which felt pretty similar to be honest but it was only one 100yard stretch. Test them is my advice though - i never find any correlation between skis I like and those recommended to me!
FYI I am not exactly sport skier of the year - I'm generally pretty laid back when skiing and a red run cruiser. I did see plenty of much more professional looking folks on the sx10's - but we were in skiamade about 10mins from the atomic factory so might be just a case of people riding the easiest thing to get hold of!
aj xx
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Get something much stiffer than any on your short list. I'd go for a race department slalom ski (will be much easier to do long radius turns on a slalom ski than it will be to do short radius turns on a GS ski).
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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ladefoged86, a 'cheater' non-race-stock GS ski like a Salomon 2V or an Atomic GS12PB in something like a 180cm should be ideal for you. More versatile than a pure-bred race-stock GS ski but you don't lose too much performance.
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comprex, snap i applaud your honesty  ladefoged86, welcome to snowheads, buck up and get some good race skis
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| Sideshow_Bob wrote: |
| ladefoged86, a 'cheater' non-race-stock GS ski like a Salomon 2V or an Atomic GS12PB in something like a 180cm should be ideal for you. More versatile than a pure-bred race-stock GS ski but you don't lose too much performance. |
Too much like hard work to do short radius turns?
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rob@rar, can always go a little shorter if necessary. The Atomic has a turn radius of 19m at 180cm which isn't that large and will be more fun for cruising/longer radius turns than a SL ski. I don't know about you but while I have no stability problems at high speed on them I sometimes find my SL skis a little too turny.
ladefoged86, make sure you add a good race slalom ski as well as a cheater GS ski to your models to test.
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Sideshow_Bob, I've never reached the speed limit of my slalom skis, and I agree they can be a bit too turny if you don't ski them well, but I really struggle to make short turns on my GS skis (older style r21). I can only do it by pivoting the top of the turn a little, and that's a bit tiring and frustrating for me. I just can't get enough edge angle to get them making tighter turns.
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| I agree they can be a bit too turny if you don't ski them well |
Oi!
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| I really struggle to make short turns on my GS skis (older style r21). I can only do it by pivoting the top of the turn a little, and that's a bit tiring and frustrating for me. I just can't get enough edge angle to get them making tighter turns. |
Mine are 21s too and I have to put more work into driving them through the turn, but I can make them turn reasonably tightly without too much pivoting. A non-stock ski would also be slightly softer and easier to do it on. Remember the quoted radius is the theoretical maximum radius you can carve a turn on the ski, ie you shouldn't be able to carve turns of radius of 30m on a 21m ski without some manipulation/standing flat.
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I speak from much personal experience 
| Sideshow_Bob wrote: |
| ]Remember the quoted radius is the theoretical maximum radius you can carve a turn on the ski, ie you shouldn't be able to carve turns of radius of 30m on a 21m ski without some manipulation/standing flat. |
I didn't know that.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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rob@rar, i did does that mean i pass my 2 teach ? (sorry drunken posting tonight)
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| rob@rar, i did does that mean i pass my 2 teach ? (sorry drunken posting tonight) |
Yes, I'll issue you with a pass. Just tell your Trainer. I'm sure he'll agree with me
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You know it makes sense.
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rob@rar, yep for carved turns maximum radius you can carve is ski radius
....................OTOH for steered turns you can steer/schmeer shorter or longer than the stated radius....
ladefoged86, versatile and high speed.... well depending how high speed you mean by high speed...
I use a GS ski most days now... but I need to work a bit for short turns on them... and I'm not enough of a speed freak(yet) to handle the really high edge angles I'd need to tighten the turn a lot... so I like my SL skis for short turn work... and a cheater GS if I'm working on bumps/trees or in a tighter course...
I guess if you want FAST - then you want a SG or DH ski.... me I don't yet want to go that fast... (and don't have the skills)
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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ladefoged86, Atomic SX OK for fun but if you want to go faster choose their GS. Always found them grippy, quick between edges and very happy to go straight as fast as you want with no complaints (haven't tried anything new for a year, mind you).
IMHO, it's easier to turn a GS short than a SL long, IF you're carving that is. If you're skidding/scraping/whatever then you can turn as often as you like, but for me it's using the edges that puts the stoopid grin on my face 
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Poster: A snowHead
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you have to try them, find a test centre ski them back to back and see which you prefer. IMO you cant have a ski thats good for short and long turns is one or the other or they are too soft.
My skis?
Vokl Race Tiger because of the name 
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