 Poster: A snowHead
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I notice that most people who slag of BASI are those who (in the option of BASI) simply ain't good enough for the badge.
Of course this normally goes against that person own self assessment.
Or – even worst – people who know they simply are not good enough but it’s much easier to slag of BASI than take the time and spend the effort to improve..
I have read and read (and read.......ad Tedium) post after post from people who slag off BASI as they don't to be put through the treadmill.
Fine - BUT - if you are as good as you (obviously) think you are, then do a BASI course and at least this way you will get an objective assessment of your ability.
There is another alternative – why not become an instructor and get the badge from another association where the criteria are of a lower standard – at least you’ll get a badge which will make you happy 
BASI is (if you like it or not) our National Ski / Board / Telemark / Nordic / Adaptive instructor’s association. Should we not support it in a forum like this?
I have worked in many resorts (ISIA) all over Europe and BASI seems to get more credibility from foreign ski schools than we do for our own ski/board community
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Who is whinging?
As a bystander I think there are some issues with BASI, not least the whole industry that seems to have sprung up around instructor development courses which would put me off the BASI system possibly on cost grounds compared to other systems which are less demanding in terms of supervised courses (setting aside the question of absolute standard).
Also as a bystander the whole SSE,SSS, BASI re-leveling, changing playing field seems a bit farcial too.
But overall youa re right - if its too hard look at yourself not the system.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Johnathon Anderson, Well said although the course is expensive and doing the levels can be time consuming it is a proffesional qalification and it is important that it is not just a roll up pay and qualify course.
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Johnathon Anderson, what slagging off of BASI are you referring to?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| Johnathon Anderson, what slagging off of BASI are you referring to? |
May be this
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Whilst there are undoubtedly some exceptional BASI instructors about, as an accreditation system it is deeply flawed
I have worked in many resorts (ski not board) and my BASI has always been accepted as it is seen all over europe as a good example of the instrcutors level of ability to "ski" and to "Teach" |
I am confused.
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| jbob wrote: |
| I am confused. |
I think that post would be less confusing with some quote tags.
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Sorry - I did not refer to the thread hang on I will get the link(s)
I do agree in some ways about the dry ski slope thing - I have never been on one (went for a coffee near one once)
It seems to be a money making idea - but as a basi member I think there really need to be just one organisation doing the qualifications
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rjs, was "Whilst there are undoubtedly some exceptional BASI instructors about, as an accreditation system it is deeply flawed" a quote from someone else?
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I know some brilliant basi snowboard instrcutors - it is very easy to get the badge - if you are good enough
If not you can always slag them off and say you can't bothered and look around for a badge thats easier to get
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jbob, It was from a post by dt on near the bottom of page 1 of stab's thread.
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I agree with Johnathon Anderson, that we should be proud that as a non alpine nation are good enough to get in the Euro zone. However there are issues for BASI that are spoken of from the top to bottom of BASI as well as out side it. It would be a good thing if these were (allowed) to be aired then tackled. Should lead to an improved Association.
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rjs, thanks, confusion resolved.
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You know it makes sense.
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There is a forum where any issues can be aired, as with any organisation - it’s called the AGM. Unfortunately very few members attend.
Not saying I do, but I think if I had any major issues then I would!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| beanie1 wrote: |
There is a forum where any issues can be aired, as with any organisation - it’s called the AGM. Unfortunately very few members attend.
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The AGM is 25th Nov - most course start the following week so most people will arrive at the weekend - 4 days after the AGM
Very strange
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Sorry corrected below
Last edited by Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name: on Tue 21-10-08 16:58; edited 1 time in total
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Poster: A snowHead
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Johnathon Anderson, you're clearly r@d - can i touch you? 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Arno wrote: |
| Johnathon Anderson, you're clearly r@d - can i touch you? |
Sorry don't understand
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Johnathon Anderson,
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The AGM is 25th Nov - most course start the following week so most people will arrive at the weekend - 4 days after the AGM
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Just had a quick look at website and a quick tally shows 13 courses will be running the week that includes the 25th.
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I can only find these
Zermatt Alpine Refresher/Conversion/Level 1 Resit 22/11/2008
Zermatt BASI Mountain Safety Re-assessment 23/11/2008
Zermatt Alpine Ski Teacher ISIA Technical Resit 24/11/2008
Zermatt Euro Mountain Security Training 24/11/2008
Zermatt Snowboard Level 2 Instructor Technical Resit 24/11/2008
Zermatt Alpine Level 2 Instructor Technical Resit 24/11/2008
Zermatt Alpine Level 1 Instructor 24/11/2008 - 28/11/2008
7 courses
Plus this
Zermatt Child Protection Module 21/11/2008
But that is not normally a stand alone course
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ooops missed these
Zermatt Alpine Level 2 Instructor 17/11/2008 - 28/11/2008
Zermatt Adaptive Level 2 Instructor 17/11/2008 - 28/11/2008
Zermatt Adaptive Teacher 17/11/2008 - 28/11/2008
Zermatt Snowboard Level 2 Instructor 17/11/2008 - 28/11/2008
Zermatt International Ski Teacher Diploma Teaching 17/11/2008 - 21/11/2008
Zermatt Alpine Ski Teacher ISIA Technical 17/11/2008 - 28/11/2008
Yes you're right
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Johnathon Anderson, the OP just seems really pointless:
"if you slag off BASI, you're not good enough and fyi I have my badge"
who cares?
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Yeah you're right
Bye
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This thread looked like fun... ... but I have lost the will to live now
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I actually think Jonothan has a valid point, most people i've met who slag off BASI have a personal axe to bear of some kind or other... (note most, not all!)
(edit: replaced "people" with "point" as made no sense!!)
Last edited by Ski the Net with snowHeads  on Tue 21-10-08 17:24; edited 1 time in total
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beanie1,
They may well have, if they think BASI has any relevence to their skiing. If you want the qualifications you probably have to play their game, for good or bad..if you don't, they are irrelevant.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I came on this thread to slag off BASI from the non-members peanut gallery and what do a find? Another discussion on grammar.
My 2p. Assuming the courses listed above are but a subset of those available over the course of the year, clearly BASI or its designated training partners have a substantial business to run in getting people through badges alone. Is the proliferation of such courses confusing and/or offputting to an onlooker? Yep. For this reason if I wanted a skiing "badge" alone I would probably go with the Canucks whose system I can readily understand (plus there are associated benefits such as getting a nice holiday in Canada, lower cost of accomodation etc).
I don't think absolute technical level comes into it although I've always been surprised that BASI ran specific off piste training courses for instance as my default assumption was that people who were wanting to be instructors had at least a reasonable grounding in such a fundamental aspect of the sport.
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You know it makes sense.
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wait until I fail, then we'll see slagging off 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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| fatbob wrote: |
| I don't think absolute technical level comes into it although I've always been surprised that BASI ran specific off piste training courses for instance as my default assumption was that people who were wanting to be instructors had at least a reasonable grounding in such a fundamental aspect of the sport. |
indeed - when i was doing the BASI thing it used to make me cross that I would have to pay about £500 to do some course which I had basically already done more than once!
i was actually really shocked at how little off-piste experience some of the people on my course had. they were probably better at carving pretty lines in the snow on a groomer but really quite weak at steeps, variable etc
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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i was actually really shocked at how little off-piste experience some of the people on my course had. they were probably better at carving pretty lines in the snow on a groomer but really quite weak at steeps, variable etc |
I fully agree with you on that - and I think that many BASI trainers will too - but I can't speak for them so....
I think some of the problems lay in the way some people think about the role of “ski/board instructor”. Some people see it as a badge – validating their current level of ability. Others see it as a profession.
If you really just want a badge there are many many places where you can get one after only a few weeks skiing.
But if you want to see ski instruction as a profession, you need to reach a certain level of skiing/boarding skill before you can attain the badge.
This is where the problem starts. Many people have a self assessed (or mate assessed “you’re really good you are”) assumption of their level of skill.
But who is to say what the required level is to be able to demonstrate and teach others and then to judge whether you have it.
As an example – you don’t really need to study at a UK university to become a doctor – you can either just go ahead and do and hope for the best or you can study in another country where the skill level required for you doctorate is lower. But in either of these case could you been seen as having chosen medicine as a profession.
The same apply to BASI courses. You really don’t “need” to pass a BASI course to be a British person who teaches skiing – you can work in Switzerland or go to another country where the skill level required to pass is lower. But – again – in these cases could you been seen as having chosen ski instruction as a profession.
You don’t need to even bother with BASI if you do not want to pass through the BASI system – BUT, to slag he association off and the levels required when you choose not to at least try – for whatever reason (you may be too good) is to say the least a little churlish.
If you feel you have the skill level required “AND” you want to teach skiing then why not try your hand at a BASI course.
I have NEVER seen (or heard of) a trainer saying to someone – sorry your cr@p, go away. You will always get constructive comments on a way forward – maybe this is the route cause of the slagging off – I don’t need anyone telling me how to board/ski…..my mates all say I’m brilliant
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| fatbob wrote: |
| I've always been surprised that BASI ran specific off piste training courses for instance as my default assumption was that people who were wanting to be instructors had at least a reasonable grounding in such a fundamental aspect of the sport. |
They don't - they are called (by some) off-piste course but they are in fact off-piste mountain safety course teaching and assesing te skills required to lead small groups off piste and the required safety precuations needed.
This is not BASI's doing but a requirement of the ISIA
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So where does the level required to pass BASI compare with other countries that have not yet been mentioned? (e.g. USA, France and Austria etc).
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Most of the instruction I see is coaches teaching Austria's up and coming stars on the glaciers. Based on my experience, for a learner skier I'd say that a native English speaking instructor would in general give the best results because the communication is better. As the people who are instructors outside of the UK tend to be born near mountains (e.g. France, Austria, Switzerland, USA) I'd say that in general they are the better skiers esp. when it comes to offpiste skiing. There are however a few exceptions to this rule but these tend to be UK skiers who spend seasons in the alps from a young age. For these reasons when comparing top level instruction and skiing then BASI is not at the top IMHO.
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We are in fact tested by BASI for our god like qualities.
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Do you pass?
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| Johnathon Anderson wrote: |
| We are in fact tested by BASI for our god like qualities. |
Fortunately BASI dropped the assessment for having an excessively large ego because everyone was getting top grades. It was only when it was replaced with the Deity Test that the sheep could be sorted from the goats.
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