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I've been reading with interest the discussions on the thread Megamum started about her cycling regime and have made a couple of posts but rather than hi-jack that thought I'd risk a fresh thread geared towards the not quite so young.
I do still need to be slimmer and if you go by WH ratio or BMI, I am disastrously unfit, but I am still much slimmer/fitter now than I ever have been since my teens. As I mentioned in the other thread, my resting heartrate the other morning whilst sat with my furry & computer laptops was 52 - that's not bad is it? My cholesterol's normal and blood sugar AC1 was in the low-normal range. Hubby's type II diabetic and has occasionally assaulted me with his blood testing kit as a comparison for his own and my morning level tends to be just over 3 - the highest he's ever found me at was 6, after a meal.
I'm generally an active person these days - and tend to be 'on the go'. At various times over the years I have had goes at getting fit - going to the gym, doing keep-fit classes, swimming etc, but every time I ended up with varying levels of constant pain in my back and/or hip(s) which didn't resolve itself before the next session, so would take pain killers in order to exercise, which didn't seem terribly wise and anyway they didn't really work sufficiently well and I gave up.
I am now trying to gently improve my fitness level without such side effects, but some posts suggest it's totally ineffective if I can't exercise at the high level recommended. I have found that cycling's ok, provided I don't overdo it - surely doing any exercise is better than none? For example today I rode 9.6 miles in just over an hour on a quite undulating route walking less of the hillier bits than I previously would and indeed at the end I was definitely "glowing", as they say ladies do  . Hubby met me at the destination and brought me and the bike home as I thought that I had done enough, especially having done 13 miles yesterday, though that was gentler. Also we have to go out again at 5pm and had I biked home I'd have had no time to take a rest inbetween. Ought I to be berating myself for not being "strong minded" and doing the return trip too?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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have more sex
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Fat people should not exercise.
It is too painful. That is a sign the body does not like it.
Only people with a BMI under 25 should exercise.
People above BMI 25 should first lose weight through caloric- and sodium-restriction.
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Whitegold, amen brother. Should probably specify that a bmi of 25 shouldn't necessarily be the cut off but there's a good point there.
Last edited by You need to Login to know who's really who. on Sun 3-08-08 19:23; edited 1 time in total
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Whitegold, yes quite right I was going to go out for a bike ride this evening becuse I enjoy it but as my BMI is over 25 I'm going to knock it on the head and not bother 
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Fat people should not have more sex. It is too painful.
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Eat (dinner) at 18:00hrs. Do NOT eat breakfast do something physical everyday i.e walk, run, cycle. Weight will fall off. Cut down on meat (3 times a week max) Eat alot of veggies & fruit & you will see difference in one to two weeks. Fitness will improve without even hitting the treadmill.
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IncogSkiSno, hardly surprising when you see what the Dutch eat at breakfast time though, lots of bread with chocolate spread, or butter and Hagelslag (chocolate sprinkles) on.
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What is the definition of 'old trout'? Am I one of them?
I'm very unfit now, too much not being able to do stuff. Getting back into the habit of being active, without overdoing it, is hard work. Reckon I'm getting there though, very slowly.
Butterfly, You should not be berating yourself for not doing the return journey, your cycling doesn't sound 'gentle' at all & yes, doing some exercise is better than doing none, but you do yourself a dis-service in suggesting you're not achieving anything. You need to start steadily and increase your fitness to the point that you can exercise at a high level, not try to start there and expect to maintain it. It's knackering, injury inducing and demoralising (in my experience).
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IncogSkiSno, Pedant corner it's "advice" not "advise" 
However, Whitegold, and stanton, do seem to have nteresting POVs. I've recognised the need to improve my fitness for next season. i haven't a clue on my BMI or cholesterol levels. How do I go about establishing this?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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halfhand, if you really want to be pedantic, that's PsOV, in fact. 
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You know it makes sense.
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Lizzard, The sunday times today hasz an article which states that if you reduce salt intake (quoted down to 3gms from a UK average of 9gms) then your body can shed retained water more easily. Lost xs water = lost weight.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Whitegold wrote: |
Fat people should not exercise.
It is too painful. That is a sign the body does not like it.
Only people with a BMI under 25 should exercise.
People above BMI 25 should first lose weight through caloric- and sodium-restriction. |
A bit black & white (what else?). Walking (preferably briskly) is exercise and would be recommended alongside weight loss via diet for fat folks. A big walk as part of a daily routine works.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Whilst I don't agree with 'no breakfast' I find that, at my advanced age, two meals a day are perfectly sufficient and, if I am free to choose when I eat (working patterns can get in the way) my most comfortable regime is brunch - at about 10.00 or 11.00 - and an early dinner, around 6.00. One of the advantages of this is that it elminates the post-lunch energy dip.
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doing some exercise is better than doing none, but you do yourself a dis-service in suggesting you're not achieving anything. You need to start steadily and increase your fitness to the point that you can exercise at a high level, not try to start there and expect to maintain it. It's knackering, injury inducing and demoralising (in my experience).
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Absolutely agree with this.
Butterfly, have you ever done any Pilates? I find this an absolute godsend for warding off back-ache etc. I learned a lot first by going to class (which I still do once a week in term-time) and I have a very good book by Lesley Ackland, but I now do Pilates after every exercise session as well. I have designed my own 20-30 minute programme, which is targetted at the bits that tend to seize up the most, and do that programme at the end of every gym session (and after a day's skiing or hiking too). Sometimes, if I'm very stiff in the morning, or bits still ache after the gym session of the previous days, I'll do a bit of Pilates first thing on getting up. This combo works fine and has virtually eliminated former back problems.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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halfhand, I don't see that dehydrating yourself is a healthy long-term weight loss strategy.
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Lizzard, I don't think it's about dehydrating its about excess water retained in tissue ( I think?). Sorry not a nutritionist or dietician so can only relay what I've read with all the caveats that that implies. 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Too much salt causes fluid retention and raises the blood pressure. Reducing the amount of salt will reduce the amount of fluid retention,and cause a small amount of weight reduction, but will not burn fat.
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I was under the impression missing a meal didn't help with weight loss at all? Something about survival instinct and storing more from the next meal, or burning less? I'm not entirely sure.
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| Helen Beaumont wrote: |
| IncogSkiSno, hardly surprising when you see what the Dutch eat at breakfast time though, lots of bread with chocolate spread, or butter and Hagelslag (chocolate sprinkles) on. |
The English used to to eat chocolate spread sandwiches in the 60/70's Maybe still do?
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I would follow what Kittya and Lizzard said: competence and enjoyment,
also, what Hurtle said, if I top up my breakfast at 10-11 I do not get the afternoon low,
regarding the sodium reduction, this is a dangerous ground- reducing the salt intake and increasing the water intake to flush the toxins,
Google : poisoning with water,
scary !
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| Hurtle wrote: |
Whilst I don't agree with 'no breakfast' I find that, at my advanced age, two meals a day are perfectly sufficient and, if I am free to choose when I eat (working patterns can get in the way) my most comfortable regime is brunch - at about 10.00 or 11.00 - and an early dinner, around 6.00. One of the advantages of this is that it elminates the post-lunch energy dip.
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The post-lunch energy dip is almost certainly caused by eating foods which raise blood sugar too fast including many high gycaemic index "complex carbs" like bread and potatoes. Meat and green veggies/salad is the way to go to keep the energy levels constant without having to snack mid afternoon.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| IncogSkiSno, hardly surprising when you see what the Dutch eat at breakfast time though, lots of bread with chocolate spread, or butter and Hagelslag (chocolate sprinkles) on. |
The English used to to eat chocolate spread sandwiches in the 60/70's Maybe still do? |
Not a common addition to any UK breakfast table i have sat at though, unless our Dutch rellies are visiting.
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| Helen Beaumont wrote: |
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| Helen Beaumont wrote: |
| IncogSkiSno, hardly surprising when you see what the Dutch eat at breakfast time though, lots of bread with chocolate spread, or butter and Hagelslag (chocolate sprinkles) on. |
The English used to to eat chocolate spread sandwiches in the 60/70's Maybe still do? |
Not a common addition to any UK breakfast table i have sat at though, unless our Dutch rellies are visiting. |
I should of said Kids
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocolate_spread
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You know it makes sense.
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| Helen Beaumont wrote: |
| IncogSkiSno, hardly surprising when you see what the Dutch eat at breakfast time though, lots of bread with chocolate spread, or butter and Hagelslag (chocolate sprinkles) on. |
The English used to to eat chocolate spread sandwiches in the 60/70's Maybe still do? |
Not a common addition to any UK breakfast table i have sat at though, unless our Dutch rellies are visiting. |
I bet lots of sHs scoff pain au chocolat, though, which is much the same, except in terms of consistency. Yeuuchh. Not as revolting as 'should of', though, which literally makes me recoil in horror.
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Hurtle,
I am not a native speaker but " should of " bothers me,
I have seen it written by people who have got higher education,
so what is it ?
laziness?, ignorance, colloquial influence ?
BTW: pain au chocolate is delicious !!!!!!
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Poster: A snowHead
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helena57,
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laziness?, ignorance, colloquial influence ?
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or a toxic combination of all three!
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helena57, the use of "should of" etc comes from people simply writing down what they hear rather than thinking of the meaning of the words they're using - they hear "should've", which does sound very like "should of". Many pupils I taught just didn't seem to realise it was incorrect. It was a revelation to them when I asked them to rewrite a sentence such as "I should of (sic) arrived on time" omitting the "should". They automatically changed the "of" to "have" - none wrote "I of arrived...".
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Hurtle, Oh come on, Should of is harmless when considered alongside it's normal response "He should a have" 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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BMI is a bunch of poop. According to my BMI I am overweight, verging on obese, even I run half and full marathons and am in the gym 4 times a week. A better measure is your resting heart rate and VO2.
Breakfast should be eaten, many studies have shown that people who skip breakfast find it harder to shift weight.
To loose weight you should use a combination of diet and exercise (with a cardio bias). Speak to a personal trainer, they will be able to create a plan suited to your needs.
Remember that even a small amount of excercise is better than none.
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| The_Hirsty wrote: |
| A better measure is your resting heart rate and VO2. |
Well I have asked several times about the relevance of resting HR, but nobody wants to discuss numbers related to that. VO2 tests always seem to be based on running. I have been advised to limit impact work (such as running) as it aggravates the problems I have been left with in my ankle and I have minor arthritis in one hip. So how would I have any idea of VO2?
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| ........diet and exercsise.........Speak to a personal trainer, they will be able to create a plan suited to your needs. |
Diet's well under control and good quality, but can't afford to have a personal trainer!
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| Remember that even a small amount of excercise is better than none. |
Well that's what I would have thought which is why, despite some suggestions from fellow posters above that the overweight shouldn't exercise at all , I am gradually increasing it but keeping it to an amount that I can enjoy, that fits in with life and doesn't cause me discomfort/pain that won't resolve before the next session.
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I'm not an expert, but I understand that resting heart rate can be largely genetic anyway. The more important measure of fitness is how rapidly your heartrate returns to normal after exercise.
An important factortant factor for anyone who is overweight is to not try to overdo it immediately. Gradually build up exercise, while at the same time controlling your intake. An important factor initially is increasing your general activity level, when you walk, walk a bit faster, don't use the car if it is walk or cyclable, so you incorporate exercise into your normal life, you don't then have to find as much time for seperate "exercise sessions".
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| Whitegold wrote: |
Fat people should not exercise.
It is too painful. That is a sign the body does not like it.
Only people with a BMI under 25 should exercise.
People above BMI 25 should first lose weight through caloric- and sodium-restriction. |
Frankly - pants.
BMI - mine's over 25 and I've just done an Ironman, in what I think is bloody respectable 13.25 hrs. Bigger people can exercise to a decent level and compete.
BMI takes no account of muscle mass for sportsmen and women.
If you don't exercise at all and are overweight, you've no chance of shifting it, and end up spiraling into decay at an amazing rate. Butterfly, just build it up gently. Try to avoid impact stuff at first. Swimming is great, cycling or spinning is quality too. Try and make it a social activity, run club for me is now about seeing friends as much as getting the training in. Make exercise a habit..... I used to be a total couch potato and now don't know what cushions look like. I can't go a day without doing something sports related.
Try too to target your exercise. If you're still doing the same pace and distance on the bike in say October, you'll be gutted. Try and just up the pace or distance a little every once in a while. It's then you'll see your improvement.
Working to heart rate is better, working to a power output on the bike is better still (but ergomos cost serious money whereas a HRM is pennies these days) Most HRMs come with a guide to setting your max HR (220 - age just doesn't do it)
Have fun - this is what I never learned at school. Exercise is bloody good fun.........
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| fatirishman wrote: |
| Try too to target your exercise. If you're still doing the same pace and distance on the bike in say October, you'll be gutted. Try and just up the pace or distance a little every once in a while. It's then you'll see your improvement. |
Thanks. I am already seeing cycling improvement, even though I am not working to a specific programme, for instance I can now cycle all the way up the hill to get home from our village shop - I used to have to walk a good half of it.
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| Working to heart rate is better, working to a power output on the bike is better still (but ergomos cost serious money whereas a HRM is pennies these days) Most HRMs come with a guide to setting your max HR (220 - age just doesn't do it) |
I have a watch with HRM - perhaps I'll get it a new battery and use it on the bike rides. Thing is with maxHR, when I went to a gym in a hotel there was a chart giving Max HR as 208-0.7 X age, making mine 172. It reckoned you should aim to keep in the zone 75-90% of that, but I found it impossibly hard to keep working at the intensity I needed to use to raise mine to that level and it was a most unpleasant experience & one I felt I had failed miserably at - I wonder if it is to do with my resting rate being a bit lower for my age than they assume??
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| Have fun - this is what I never learned at school. Exercise is bloody good fun......... |
Well said! I think it is such an important point - before I found skiing, I never found exercise to be fun! It also must fit in my very busy life too. I am generally active - I'm out participating in or teaching the physical skill of traditional English church bellringing most evenings and often for several hours Sat & Sun too. This evening I am in a performance that will be non-stop from 5.30-9pm.
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Butterfly,
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This evening I am in a performance that will be non-stop from 5.30-9pm.
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Yikes. I'm glad I don't live near your church!
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