 Poster: A snowHead
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I have heard rumours that the ski area in la rosiere is to be expanded and also that the long arduous drag between France and Italy is to be replaced with a chair lift - does anyone know if there is any truth in this?
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| axd2 wrote: |
| the long arduous drag between France and Italy is to be replaced with a chair lift |
It would hardly ever be useable
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build a surface funicular
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axd2, I don't think either is likely, the Col gets too much snow and is prone to high winds from time to time which would stop a chair lift whereas the surface lifts can continue running. The only area where I've heard expansion is likely is in the Col across from the Bellecote drags and there seemed to be an issue with the commune of Seez about land ownership, I haven't any facts just hearsay.
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axd2, welcome to 
I have heard stuff about opening up the west-facing area opposite Roc Noir (on the other side of the torrent des moulins), but I think it's just speculation. I don't think a chair lift would be a better way of getting across to Italy because it can get a bit (ahem) gusty, but I don't find the drag arduous. Tedious, long, slow, and cold, but let's face it you only use it once a day at most.
David
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| David@traxvax wrote: |
| axd2, I don't think either is likely, the Col gets too much snow... |
There was me thinking that la Rosiere had perfect snow fall...
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DB, it wuz the drains . . . they just couldn't take any more 
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| parlor wrote: |
| David@traxvax wrote: |
| axd2, I don't think either is likely, the Col gets too much snow... |
There was me thinking that la Rosiere had perfect snow fall... |
You may well scoff, but it is a valid point. Had there been a chairlift last Easter then a large amount of digging would have been required to make the chair useable
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Personally I don't like to see resorts replacing drags with chairs too much. I have heard it is mooted in another fave resort of mine and I think it is an expansionist idea, which I, as a punter, think will degrade the area.
New bigger lifts mean the lift ticket goes up...invariably, which means they want more peeps to come to the resort to cover the overhead.
It doesn't neccesarily mean it is better, just bigger and panders to too many sunshine skiers.
There are plenty on drone zones, why spoil it with another one.... if that indeed is what is about to happen.
I hope to check out La Ros this year.
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JT, I disagree with you. If this mentality was employed and drag lifts/old inefficient lifts weren't replaced then there never be any improvement and we'd all be moaning about queues or
The resort I've been to for the past 2 years has put in about 6 chair lifts in the past 10 years to replace drags. So I don't believe it has downgraded the resort for skiiers who have been regulars for the past 10 years.
Drags are uncomfortable, tiring, cold and exposed unlike other types of lifts.
The price of the lift pass isn't expensive although it gradually increases about the rate of inflation. So the new lifts have been an investment and benefited all. I therefore disagree with your argument.
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Christopher,
Of course, you can disagree, no problem.
My POV is that drags work in all sorts of weather and are cheaper... Big chairs just move more people out of the lift line and onto the piste..which means more people in the same place at the same time. If people dislike drags, then great, they don't go there, that is a good thing, IMV.
My view is minimalist.....cheaper lifts, cheaper overheads, less people are required to fund it....
Of course, it depends on who you speak to, if you owned property in a resort, you'd likely want it to keep expanding and therefore drive it that way, if you could.
It is a balance that can quite easily get out of sync... but any town with a spanking lift system is likely to have/need a pretty high bed count, that isn't a village, it is a town and not what I look for ...at all, with very few exceptions. You'll meet those people on the hill, in queues, in resto's and probably get hit by a few on the slopes before long.
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You know it makes sense.
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Christopher, Have you been to La Rosiere and experienced the wind that can blow? If the link between La Rosiere and La Thuile was replaced by a chair lift then it would closed more often than open.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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On windy snowy days I much prefer draglift at ground level than a chair, but I have been almost blown away when on a drag in La Rosiere (not this one though) .
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Poster: A snowHead
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Fogliettaz, That wasn't my point at all. But I understand and theoretically agree with it. As I've never been there I can't really comment.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Mixed feelings about the Col drag. It gets very cold esp. in the mornings as it is in shadow much of the way. First time we used it my toes felt that they were in the early stages of frostbite.
It is a bit of a rite of passage for skiing families, taking the kids to Italy for the first time- more to be endured though rather than enjoyed. What to do if child A falls off half way along- I'm sure I'm not the first parent to have spent an anxious 10 mins waiting for the drag to reach that final rise? Our 10 year old is particularly susceptible to cold fingers, and I don't think we've ever completed that drag without tears.
However, the skiing experience should not be anodyne and the effort involved in getting everyone across to Italy makes the trip that much more special. We have skied numerous resorts and can recall only a few lifts. The Col drag is up there with the most memorable.
On the subject of Las Ros expansion, I discussed this with a local guide (Xavier) this year, however he thought this unlikely.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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taking the kids to Italy for the first time- more to be endured though rather than enjoyed.
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How true and I'm sure the kids that make it have a great sense of achievement. When we tried it we didn't make it because the drag was so strong it lifted my niece, a slight 8 year old, clean off the ground, fairly near the start, fortunately. She's a tough little thing, and hung on for a long time, but eventually her skis twisted round and she fell off. She was game to try again but we decided enough was enough as the same thing was quite likely to happen again.
I agree that drags are, for skiers at any rate, generally preferable to chairs in cold weather and stay open in the kind of winds which routinely close chairlifts. Indeed, in Les Saisies there's a drag that rarely opens except when a key chairlift is closed because of wind. The top of the drag is below the summit we have to get over to ski home, so walking up the last bit with skis on shoulders gets you warm before the 4-5km run home. Doesn't happen often as the chair is a modern one. It sometimes stops for long minutes at a time when the wind is highish, though, which is cold and disconcerting. On a long cold drag as I put my music on and jump around a bit to keep warm. Also, quite a lot of people have problems with chairs because they are freaked out by heights - a resort with a mix of lifts, enabling different people to get around in their preferred manner, must be the optimum.
As an occasional and incompetent snowboarder though I'd go for the chair; at least I can be sure of getting to the top. And some drags, including some in the Val D'Arly, are pretty mean. The ones that jerk you off (if you'll excuse the expression...) at the beginning are not so bad - you can just get up and get on again. But the one that goes up very steeply, through trees, where anyone who falls off has to hike through the snowy forest to a steep black mogully run is not very nice. It's one to take someone cocky who boasts that they never fall off draglifts.
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