 Poster: A snowHead
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This sequence of shots was taken last weekend, on my first run of the first day of our Tignes trip, so I'm a little rusty and getting my snow legs back after being on plastic. There are a few things in my skiing I'm not happy with, so it's time to post the picture and hopefully get some good feedback as to where I can improve things. The sequence was shot by Wear the fox hat who is far cleverer than me with a computer at putting something like this together. I know it took him a long time to put together, thanks very much.
Over to you guys.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Spyderman, legs too close together at the start of the turn, excessive inner tip lead, all total guesswork and streets ahead of anything I could do 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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excessive inner tip lead
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 I love that phrase!
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martski, me too. I read it in a thread recently 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Spyderman, you're all over the place  .
(Sorry, rubbish joke.)
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Only thing which I have a question about is the amount of counter in the final third of the turn. In a medium radius turn my instinct is to be a bit squarer. Bringing in a bit of counter at the end of your turn seems to be causing your hips to rotate into the turn, weakening your stacked stance.
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Spyderman, boots match jacket so all looks good.
Did you graduate to any blues on your trip? 
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rob@rar, are you happy with that left hand and shoulder?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Which one is you?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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this is ridiculous, because I know nothing, but are some of your uphill hands dropping back/down a bit?
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| comprex wrote: |
| rob@rar, are you happy with that left hand and shoulder? |
The left hand might be carried slightly lower than the right and it falls back a bit, but I think that is a symptom of the countered position towards the end of the turn. I'm don't think that that how the arm is carried has, by itself, a huge impact on how the skis interact with the snow, and it is easy to get side-tracked into relatively inconsequential work on stance. I'd say it would be more effective to work on keeping the hips squarer to the skis in these radius turns, if Spyderman agrees that it is something to look at.
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You know it makes sense.
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comprex, rob@rar, I have been feeling that my left hand/arm hasn't felt right and I made a concious effort to deal with it during the 3 days, it felt as though it was being left behind during the turn, especially at the start.
I think that in an effort to increase angulation, my hips are rotating rather than sinking squarely, maybe just shortening the inside leg would be the answer, but again it's easier said than done. I don't have a problem remaining square during long radius turns, it's just the crossover between short/medium.
You've both picked up on issues that I feel myself, now what's the fix? 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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What rob@rar, comprex & Spyderman, said
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Spyderman wrote: |
| I think that in an effort to increase angulation, my hips are rotating rather than sinking squarely, maybe just shortening the inside leg would be the answer, but again it's easier said than done. |
Yes and yes. I have the same problem, and I've also been trying to focus on a short inside leg to get the angles I need without dropping and rotating my hip into the turn. I think if you get this right the dropped hand will sort itself out.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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rob@rar, What have you been doing in particular to correct the problem? Any particular drills?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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skis are far too narrow 
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| Spyderman wrote: |
| rob@rar, What have you been doing in particular to correct the problem? Any particular drills? |
No particular drills. When I asked a couple of instructors what I should do they both said "just stop doing it"! Seemed a bit harsh, but they argued I know what the problem is, I can feel the difference when I keep square to the skis, so I have all the info I need to make the change.
There have been two things I've used as a focus point: short inside leg, and reducing tip lead by drawing inside foot back and pushing outside food forward. Both these things seem to help me keep square in medium and long turns. It feels much stronger when I get it right, but I'm most certainly in the practice phase and it will take lots more practice before it becomes acquired
Next on the list of things to look at is why I can't turn left as well as I can turn right. It's beginning to worry me quite a lot as at least 50% of my skiing involves turning left...
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I'm sure the BASI trainer's jacket helps
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beanie1,
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monster77
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Spyderman, nice barstools
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| Nells wrote: |
| Spyderman, nice barstools |
Argghhh, that's a bad drill.
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You know it makes sense.
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Spyderman, very cool that you had Ron LeMaster there to take your photograph. Great shots WTFH!!
Ummm,, mainly what the others say. I see an open stance throughout the turn not just in the bottom third. shot 5 counting from up the bottom is quite telling, you are entering the fall line very open and not square at all. Head above parapit i would add that you need to drive around the outside hip and shoulder much more. Too much counter for that pitch and size of turn. But i know what you mean about trying to angulate at the hip and ending up with hips back. The last frame is showing excessive tip lead ( to all on the board)
Also, you are really light on the skis at transition with the big crossover move you use which is great, but i think for the type of turns we are seeing here less flex extend and more edging early in phase 1 with a cross under. Try to roll onto the edges earlier and let the skis get wider and out from under the body faster, this will naturally get you inclining early and then you can angulate, this might help keep you squarer early in these medium size turns.. letting the skis run out and wide early really helps get you on the edges and once you "get" it a few times it really helps with feel in the top of the turn.
some drills i would try for hip position..
warm up by making RR turns across and up the hill slowly and as you stop be tall and reverse direction following the same lines. check to see both set of pencil lines are carved with upper and lower lines equal weighting. helps improve hips position.
Same drill as above but one footed on outside. Then try it on inside leg.
without poles and hands on hips in a double teapot fashion see if you can ski with the teapot handles perpendicular to the skis at all times. do the same drill but using poles held with both hands firmly across your beltline.
During free skiing i really like the thought of driving the outside hip and shoulder around the turn when doing med radius turns like those, helps engage the skis earlier in the turn and manages grip in the bottom third.
Lastly one new drill i had given to me which helped get on edges early was as you finish a turn and get the skis flat preparing to enter the next turn, do a very rapid twist of the feet and get both ski tips to move as fast as possible as far to the inside as you can and back out again, then, QUICKLY roll onto the edges. I dont know why this works for me but it really helped think about the transition and getting on the edges early. the rotary move seems to ensures you are light and flat at transition and the twist sharpened up the speed of edging. Once you take the rotary bit out it feels like you can get on the edges super fast.
MK was delightful this week much better than Tigne,, you lucky so and so Have fun.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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i would change your outfit pal loads of others seem to have the same as you 
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Poster: A snowHead
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Hmmm....wondering what to say. Personally I don't like the hips to be that open. I see a lot of people practise it but I think the turn shape is too large to have to want to stay face down the hill. It looks weird but seems a good way to keep weight over both skis if you must have that.
I am sure the tracks looked very good... I'm just not in love with the process that makes them like that.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| Lastly one new drill i had given to me which helped get on edges early was as you finish a turn and get the skis flat preparing to enter the next turn, do a very rapid twist of the feet and get both ski tips to move as fast as possible as far to the inside as you can and back out again, then, QUICKLY roll onto the edges. I dont know why this works for me but it really helped think about the transition and getting on the edges early. the rotary move seems to ensures you are light and flat at transition and the twist sharpened up the speed of edging. Once you take the rotary bit out it feels like you can get on the edges super fast. |
Is this called something like "horse twist drill"? It was one of the things shown on my L2 course, but I didn't do it with any success. It was done a a fairly high speed and the notion of flattening your skis and twisting at that pace just didn't feel so clever!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| rob@rar wrote: |
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| Spyderman, nice barstools |
Argghhh, that's a bad drill. |
Low Bar Stool to the uphill side of hip. A drill taught to me by a Trainer known to both of us. I just need to reposition the stool though.
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rob@rar, I think it was called "horseshoes". a bit scary at first and tought to do but really helpful to me.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Spyderman wrote: |
| rob@rar wrote: |
| Nells wrote: |
| Spyderman, nice barstools |
Argghhh, that's a bad drill. |
Low Bar Stool to the uphill side of hip. A drill taught to me by a Trainer known to both of us. I just need to reposition the stool though. |
Also taught to me by a Trainer, and then BASI Chairman. The trouble with it is that most people, me included, hoick one butt cheek up onto the bar stool, twisting their hip into the turn. I much prefer javelin turns if you are looking to get people to ski with decent angles.
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| rob@rar, I think it was called "horseshoes". a bit scary at first and tought to do but really helpful to me. |
Sounds like the same drill. We were warned that it was really easy to snag an edge and get dumped, and at the speed we were doing the drill any mishap would have hurt. Have to say I couldn't see the point of the drill and I was glad we only did it a couple of times.
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Having photographed your attempt at skiing an odd effect was noticed on Wear the Fox Hat
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stewart woodward,
Don't know the name of it, it was our first run down to the telecabine at Breviere every morning. I think the first bit which is like a path is blue then it joins another steeper piste down to the lift. WTFH took everyones picture on the same piste.
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rob@rar, I did the 'Horse Twist' drill too. Easy to stack it big time
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