 Poster: A snowHead
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Read the Glossary, none the wiser, pics/vid anyone?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Sideshow_Bob, that's exactly the opposite of what I thought was meant by the term.
My understanding was that it was a flamingo turn as shown here, modified to point the tip of the raised ski -> into <- the fall line.
http://www.therusty.com/images/shape_article/t6-a.gif
Last edited by Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see? on Thu 17-04-08 22:20; edited 1 time in total
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Sideshow_Bob is indeed correct.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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PhillipStanton, doesn't it close the hips off to the hill that way?
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click on The Skier's Edge and look at page 112:
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| skimottaret, I'm not sure if this helps but The Skiers Edge has some interesting info. |
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comprex, sideshow s clip IMO shows the real deal but perhaps not as aggressive as some would demo. Usually the lifted ski would go further across the weighted ski.
Martin Bell, interesting that Skiers edge shows a static javelin as a drill, i slagged that off as a bit dangerous... 
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skimottaret, I'd gathered that it wasn't fully developed ,
EDIT: nevermind, different goal.
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| comprex wrote: |
| PhillipStanton, doesn't it close the hips off to the hill that way? |
Yeah, but, you're starting your new turn so your hips are "open" vis the turn.
Oi tink.
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David Murdoch, the link fromSideshow_Bob, is what I understand as a Javelin turn....
The inside ski tip crosses the outside ski. It encourages the development of counter.
I have also done a variation on this that required me to turn the outside ski under the lifted inside ski rather than lift the ski across. This encourages the development of counter by skiing into it as you turn.
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Having done a little reading on this over the last day or so, some commentators seem to suggest that with the advent of "carving" skis (they have actually been around since the laste 19th C) as we defince them today, there is less focus on angulation and more on countering.
Any views?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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GrahamN, good on you to start another potential battle so soon 
ps. how do you make a link without showing the address like you did in "thread of its own"?
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You know it makes sense.
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skimottaret, press the quote button on that post and you'll see the construct.
If it is, I suspect I'll be watching rather than fighting - unless anyone comes up with any more cod maths/science  .
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Ah, OK, so it's an exercise not really a turn as such.
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Poster: A snowHead
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David Murdoch, fair enough a picture or diagram would be good but what part of the definition wasnt clear
JAVELIN TURNS - A drill which is performed by completely lifting the inside ski from the snow and pointing it across the outside ski. The inside ski is lifted off the snow at or before the edge change of the new outside ski. At the end of the turn the inside ski is deliberately placed back on the snow and then becomes the new outside ski.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| David Murdoch wrote: |
| Ah, OK, so it's an exercise not really a turn as such. |
Yep, defo an exercise.
Does two things in my limited understanding.
Keeps you facing down the slope. (I'm not even going to enter the "counter" discussion!).
Gets you skiing on one foot - so improves / develops your carving.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| PhillipStanton wrote: |
| Keeps you facing down the slope. |
But surely it actually gets you facing more up the slope if started before you enter the fall-line?
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| (I'm not even going to enter the "counter" discussion!). |
Go on, gow on gowon gowon gowon gowon!
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skimottaret, I think what was confusing me was that it was called a turn. And I couldn't see the point of it as a form of turn. As an exercise it's quite clear.
It's actually more fun (I think) to maintain appropriate counter while crossing your outside ski over the inner one.
High speed Royales in bumps are good too...
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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David Murdoch, maybe but you could say that about any excersises like swiss, royals, charleston or jet turns, or, even the holy worm turn...
"reverse" javelins are cool and scary if done at speed, never tried royals in the bumps, at least on purpose 
i have seen people do combined charleston/javelin turns, try to get your head around that one.....
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GrahamN, said
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| But surely it actually gets you facing more up the slope if started before you enter the fall-line? |
yes, when I was taught this drill, I was encouraged to get onto that uphill ski and into the "javelin" position before starting the turn.
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skimottaret,
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| combined charleston/javelin turns |
...COOL! that's tomorrow's exercise nailed.
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skimottaret, I have short skis...
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David Murdoch, me too and i still cant do that stuff....
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Hi guys, thats me in the video clip  !
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I like the bit where you can see your shadow, with you holding the video camera in your outstretched arm 
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Yeah, I need to take some filming lessons..... as well !
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You know it makes sense.
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tdk6, cool video do you have any others? i am thinking about starting a thread showing drills instead of tryin gto explain them in writing and any video or illustrations would be perfect for that.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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skimottaret, why start another thread? - just add links to bits of vid to your excellent Glossary thread. That javelin is quite different from what I had originally understood (I'd thought you were supposed to keep the lifted ski pointing downhill throughout and then turn underneath it). The Charleston vid that Yoda posted up was also a bit of a revelation - I'd thought it was something much slower (much more like linked white pass turns). They're not too difficult to do either at that kind of speed - but I agree with you about the Royale Christie though, and I'm nowhere near bouncy enough for those Swiss (or were the Swedish?) turns - my efforts result in me getting about 5cm max off the ground. Yoda also posted up a pretty good pic of a Royale Chrisite too.
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Poster: A snowHead
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GrahamN, well mainly as i think drills really need photos or ideally video to support them and i wanted to keep the glossary mainly written with very basic quick loading diagrams.. not sure that works for drills though and I dont want to be too bandwidth hungry. I suppose no harm in putting it all in one spot and if the site peeps want to change it we can later...
any ideas on touring terms or racing stuff?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Just put click-throughs - hot links which won't break the text flow and won't take up bandwidth. This is best continued on the other thread though.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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[quote="GrahamN"] That javelin is quite different from what I had originally understood (I'd thought you were supposed to keep the lifted ski pointing downhill throughout and then turn underneath it).
GrahamN
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David Murdoch, the link fromSideshow_Bob, is what I understand as a Javelin turn....
The inside ski tip crosses the outside ski. It encourages the development of counter.
I have also done a variation on this that required me to turn the outside ski under the lifted inside ski rather than lift the ski across. This encourages the development of counter by skiing into it as you turn. |
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| tdk6, cool video do you have any others? i am thinking about starting a thread showing drills instead of tryin gto explain them in writing and any video or illustrations would be perfect for that. |
Good ide.... you just ask for any kind of demo and Ill try to show you a vid! Cant do em all but I can try.... my archives are massive  .
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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tdk6, nice one, how about if you have a look at the glossary of terms thread and pick a drill there so we can give it a try. I think we would need to load any video clips into snowheads media zone so as the links are easy to manage and in one place.
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