 Poster: A snowHead
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I could be wrong but I think it is rather unique to be able to ski between two countries in Europe.
Thus with the SH help may be we could compile a list of these resorts.
I shall update this first post whenever new information is put forward.
So far I am aware of 2 countries skiing resorts are
(1) La Rosiere (France) with La Thuile (Italy)
(2) Porte du Soleil - Avoriaz (France) with Champry (Switzerland); Chatel (France) with Torgon (Switzerland) or Morgins (Switzerland)
(3) Zermatt (Switzerland) with Cervinia (Italy)
(4) Vallee Blanche (France links with Italy) - may be discounted as it is not as returnable as others
(5) Milky Way or Vialattea - Claviere (Italy) with Montgenevre (France)
(6) Silvretta - Ischgl (Austria) with Samnaun (Switzerland)
(7) Steinplatte (Austria) with Seegatterl (Germany) see http://www.bergfex.com/steinplatte/panorama/
( Oberstdorf (Germany) with Kleinwalsertal (Austria) see http://www.skigermany.com/skiing/oberstdorf/oberstdorf.php
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3 countries skiing
(1) Arnoldstein/Dreiländereck (between Austria, Italy and Slovenia) not verified by piste map yet! see www.3laendereck.at
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It is quite an experience to ski from one country to another, have lunch there, see different convention of the piste signs and ski back the first country at the end of the day.
It is a good way to sneak in and out of the linked country without carrying a passport!
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Sat 8-03-08 10:50; edited 5 times in total
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If the Vallee Blanche is included there are probably a number of other places where it is easy to get lift served off piste between 2 countries.
I've been from Klosters (CH) to Gargellen(Aus) and back.
I believe it is pretty straight forward to ski from Val Frejus to Bardonnechia. Some of the resorts on the Reschenpass look possible as do some around the Zugspitze.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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One of the lift-served pistes in Sweden's most northerly ski resort, Riksgransen in the Arctic Circle, crosses the border into Norway.
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How about a chancer for 3 countries at once?
The lifts at the small Carinthian resort of Dreilaendereck above Arnoldstein rise to a peak where the borders between Austria, Italy and Slovenia meet. Although you can only ski back down a piste on the Austrian side, you can theoretically have your skis in one country and a pole in each of the others. How does that sound?
The website (www.3laendereck.at) proclaims 3 Countries, 3 Languages, 3 Cultures!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| T Bar wrote: |
| as do some around the Zugspitze. |
You can take a lift from either Germany or Austria up the Zugspitze, but all the skiing is in Germany. You can't ski from one country to the other.
However, I believe one of the mountains in Oberstdorf, Germany is fully linked with another village in Austria. If I'm not mistaken, there is also another German/Austrian link in the Berchtesgaden region. There are also very tentative plans to link the Fichtelberg ski area in Oberwiesenthal, Germany with Bozi Dar in the Czech Republic. It would be very easy to do, and with the Czech Republic now in the Schengen area, it might happen.
Cool topic, by the way.
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| saikee wrote: |
It is quite an experience to ski from one country to another, have lunch there, see different convention of the piste signs and ski back the first country at the end of the day.
It is a good way to sneak in and out of the linked country without carrying a passport! |
I was just wondering about that and what you did if you got half way down a run & came to the border patrol with no passport!
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| T Bar wrote: |
| I believe it is pretty straight forward to ski from Val Frejus to Bardonnechia. |
Not unless they've open rather more lifts than when I was last in either place. Whilst the gondola in VF does suggest such a connection, realising it may be more difficult: not surprisingly, all the existing ski slopes in Bardonnechia face north - i.e. are south of the town - whilst the slopes towards Val Frejus are to the north of the town, and as they face south are rather less snow-sure.
But yes, I agree cross-border skiing is brilliant - and I do it whenever I can.
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Garmisch-Partenkirken(Germany) is linked with Lehrmoos and I think with Seefeld (Austria)
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| Butterfly wrote: |
I was just wondering .. what you did if you got half way down a run & came to the border patrol with no passport! |
Normal recommendation (taken from the Portes du Soleil lift map some years ago) is to ensure that you have some form of identification at all times.
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Also the Waidring-Steinplatte area in Austria links with lift and piste just over the German border at Winklmoos-Alm above the village of Seegatterl near Reit im Winkl in southern Bavaria.
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One can ski between California and Nevada at Heavenly. Does that count?
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alex_heney,
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| Garmisch-Partenkirken(Germany) is linked with Lehrmoos and I think with Seefeld (Austria) |
Well, it can be done from the Zugspitze down to Ehrwald, but it involves some abseiling and the rest is not for the faint of heart  Garmisch is not connected to Seefeld by the way.
What about Oberstdorf/Kleinwalsertal? The Felhorn-Kanzelwand area. Hardly ever gets a mention from anyone on this forum, but is a really nice, fairly sizeable ski resort spanning Germany and Austria.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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saikee,
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There is no chairlift from Ehwald to get back to Zugspitse so I suppose one has to do off piste in unidirectional only. Am I right?
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like I just said, it involves abseiling and strong nerves. Other than that it's a family run
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| alex_heney wrote: |
| Garmisch-Partenkirken(Germany) is linked with Lehrmoos and I think with Seefeld (Austria) |
Not even close. They're on the same lift ticket, but you cannot ski between them. It's about a 30 minute train ride to either Lermoos or Seefeld from Garmisch-Partenkirchen.
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| Well, it can be done from the Zugspitze down to Ehrwald, but it involves some abseiling and the rest is not for the faint of heart Garmisch is not connected to Seefeld by the way. |
True. What I meant was there is no way in hell I would ever try to ski down the Austrian side of the Zugspitze. This is what you would be contending with:
This photo is taken from Lermoos. As you can see there is quite a lot of flat land between it and the Zugspitze. The slopes you see are all in Austria. The other side of the mountain is German. As you can see, clearly not linked.
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| What about Oberstdorf/Kleinwalsertal? The Felhorn-Kanzelwand area. Hardly ever gets a mention from anyone on this forum, but is a really nice, fairly sizable ski resort spanning Germany and Austria. |
That's what I meant. I really want to get there for a winter next winter. The new airport (or at least newly widely accessible) in Memmingen should make it a lot easier.
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[nasty Austrian customs people at the top of the lift returning from Samnaun
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This is consistent with what happened recently to my son. He was with an instructor from Ischgl on the lift up from Samnaun at the end of the day , and they decided to belt for home on the Ischgl side of the mountain as they got off the lift....which seemed suspiciously fast for the Austrian Mr Plod sitting in his little hut. They were duly stopped and made to empty out rucksacks and pockets, but fortunately didn't have any valuables on them
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ami in berlin, nice picture. The tour from the top brings you out at the right hand side of that pic at Ehrwalderalm. I have not done it, but my crazy Finnish friend Kassu assures me it's not so bad...But then he thinks skiing down the sides of rumbling volcanoes in Kamchatka is normal procedure as well 
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| That's what I meant. I really want to get there for a winter next winter. |
Do it! OK, I'm a bit biased because my wife comes from there, but it's a nice place, and snow-sure.
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Julian T,
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| They were duly stopped and made to empty out rucksacks and pockets, but fortunately didn't have any valuables on them |
those Austrian border guards really hate that. Come to think of it one should get a big group of people with really fat rucksacks stuffed full of spare jumpers, socks, survival bags, stuff you really need on the mountain, and all schuss down the mountain together
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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luigi,
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| Arnoldstein rise to a peak where the borders between Austria, Italy and Slovenia meet |
I could find a piste map from the web link. Is is possible to ski between the three countries and back?
Steilhang,
I thought the red run, called "Duty Free run", from Ischgl to Samnaun was famous in the past only. I couldn't see people now still wanting to buy things in Switzerland/Austria to avoid paying tax. Both places are filled with 4 to 5 star hotels.
I have driven through pass some nice small German Bavarian resorts in the sticks and it wouldn't surprise me that there are some of them linked to Austria.
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saikee, I don't know how much things cost in Samnaun these days, but the last time I was there with my car petrol cost about DM0.50/liter. That's about €0.25/l !!! OK it nearly costs you a full tank of petrol to get up there, but, hey.
To be honest, I hate the place. Each to his own I guess!
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I think it's possible to ski to/from Italy from the Austrian resort of Nauders, situated high on the Reschenpass.
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| saikee wrote: |
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| Arnoldstein rise to a peak where the borders between Austria, Italy and Slovenia meet |
I could find a piste map from the web link. Is is possible to ski between the three countries and back? |
No, the peak belongs to all the three countries, but as far as I remember, 100% of the skiing is on the Austrian side.
This is the resort I started learning to ski.
Note, do not confuse with another Dreilandereck on the Au/ITA/Swiss border.
Not far from this place, there is a TOP 20 Austrian resort called Nassfeld on the Au/ITA border.
This year they are building a new cabin from the Italian side to the Austrian peak.
It is interesting to order a goulash on both sides. Italians put their usual spices even in the goulash which tastes absolutely different to the Austrian (Hungarian) one.
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Saikee wrote:
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I could find a piste map from the web link. Is is possible to ski between the three countries and back?
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Here is a piste map: www.bergfex.com/dreilaendereck/, mostly drags, I wasn't recommending it, just thought it maybe unique in being able to "ski" 3 countries at once. The Dreilaendereck (3-country-corner) peak marks the meeting point of the 3 countries, the lift serves that peak so presumably ( I've never visited) you can access the 3 near this peak, though the pistes only come down the Austrian face, so you can't get down on piste to a village or even a mountain restaurant in either of the other two countries.
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Bode Swiller,
The piste map here shows Nauders is not linked to the Italian side St Valentino by piste. The link is only by bus.
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Someone might be able to help me here. I've always said to people, I've never been to Italy proper but I've skied over the border. Now, for the life of me I can't remember where. I know I was with school, and the only 3 places I went with school are Serre Chevalier, Isola 2000 and La Plagne. There was a monastery in the background and a tiny little sign saying France/Italy. We took a photo but now I think I've dreamt it. It was only an expanse of white snow and a tiny wooden sign but I remember it clearly!
Any ideas?
Edited to say: I would have been between 14-16 and now 33 so photo long gone 
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AllyK,
Isola 2000 is very close to Italy as it is along the Road D97. You could be looking at the road sign as it is not uncommon the road is closed for winter and forms one of the piste runs. I haven't ski that resort. May be other SH can confirm.
La Plagne is quite close to La Rosiere/La Thuile, about 28 miles to its lowest station, and can be accessed by a car in a day trip. I couldn't remember a monastery there though.
Serre Chevalier is also close to Italy Miky Way, as Italian Claviere is about 11 miles from Briancon. There isn't a monastery there either and you need to be driven to there.
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You know it makes sense.
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Another 2-country experience - Chamonix (France)/Courmayeur (Italy) (stopping for lunch at Maison Vielle on the Courmayeur side - best carbonara I've ever eaten
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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vetski,
Are you refering the Vallee Blanche or Monte Bianchi (Italian name)?
I think Chamonix's Vallee Blanche is a special case because one can enter from one country and ski to another country between France and Italy. It is not as returnable as other cross border skiing resorts but the offpiste routes are well recognised ski routes.
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There's a monastery in the San Bernando pass, with a big statue. Can't ski to it though
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Bode Swiller, saikee, I skied Nauders about 35 years ago on school trip, so memory may be a little faded, but I know we did take a bus to the Italian side for a meal one evening but don't recall skiing over there.
But I thought it was possible, since I do recall a discussion on carrying passports on slope. May just have been schoolboy flights of fancy!
However, they too have a Dreilandeeck-stein, Austria/Italy/Switzerland I think? and we walked up there in the summer as part of a charity day (I still have the "completer's medal"). We stood on the stone with the markings on it, so in all three countries simultaneously (big feet covering two countries...). But (again, memory may be hazy), I think it is on the other side of the valley to the majority of the pistes.
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Randomsabreur, yes you can, although it's off-piste, just continue down the col from Piccolo San Bernardo and you'll get to it, you can then follow the road all the way back to La Rosiere, it's downhill all the way. The statue is of St Bernard and his arm points the route to La Thuile, the hospice has been empty for about 20 years since the monks moved to their main hospice on the St Bernard pass between Switzerland and Italy.
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| Randomsabreur wrote: |
| There's a monastery in the San Bernando pass, with a big statue. Can't ski to it though |
You can on skins. It acts as a ski refuge in winter - you sleep in the 17th century monks' dormatories and get served meals by the modern monks.
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). He had evidently not declared it to German customs, so the Austrians did him 
. Made his day that did 
Bizarre how certain things stick in your mind though, I have a definite recollection of it. Me and 2 friends straddled over the sign boasting how we were in 2 countries at once 
Maybe we just read the sign wrong and it wasn't really the border at all!