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The respected US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration have concluded that concerns over the levels of melted sea ice may have been premature:
Ice levels which had shrunk from 13million sq km in January 2007 to just four million in October, are almost back to their original levels.
Figures show that there is nearly a third more ice in Antarctica than is usual for the time of year.
They add that snow cover across the area is at its greatest since 1966.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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global cooling!!! which is of course caused by global warming
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Only 7?  Higher! Higher!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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carled, got a link for that?
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this will go to about 5 will only reach 7 if helmets are incorporated
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carled, it's really interesting that this kinda stuff is not widely reported. If you have a link that would make for good reading. Cheers
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| CANV CANVINGTON wrote: |
| this will go to about 5 will only reach 7 if helmets are incorporated |
Why are you dictating to us that we must talk about helmets!
We can talk about helmets if we want to, we don't need you ramming your wacko theories down our throats. If we choose not to talk about helmets, then that's our choice. Stop forcing us to talk about helmets. And anyway, here's a link that proves you're completely wrong... http://www.CANViswrong.com
You always force us to talk about helmets, and we don't need to, cause you can't force us.
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Any articles on glacier coverage in the mountains?
Almost every instructor I have spoken to has gone on about decreasing thickness of glaciers in the mountains now compared to 10 years ago...
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Sorry, found the original article - it's the Daily Express. Turns out that climate change was responsible for Diana's death.
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You know it makes sense.
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Wear The Fox Hat, Al Fayed was kind of right then 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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carled, Great news! so they were right in the 70's after all. It's only man-made C02 emissions that are holding back the next ice-age. Now the eco warriors are forcing a cut in emissions we can expect a return to the winters I used to remember, when it was possible to ski in Leicester! (at Bradgate park) Wooot!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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AxsMan, indeed. Didn't realise that the article had originated from the Express, so maybe some of the quoted science and figures need careful checking!
Found a video the other night of me & the kids sledging at bradgate from 1996... those were the days... 
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alex_heney, I wonder is it this... http://nsidc.org/news/press/2007_seaiceminimum/20071001_pressrelease.html
And have they been a bit "economical with the truth" regarding the actual graph...
The average since 1979 at the start of the year is 12.5 million
In 2007 it was 12.
The average low is around 7 million. In 2007 it was around 4.
If it was to follow the average, then it should be up to 10 or 11 by December.
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| Ordhan wrote: |
| The glaciers in the Alps have been shrinking since the first day the last ice age ended |
That is not true; they have undergone several cycles of recession and advance. Please follow the first link in my previous post.
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Wear The Fox Hat, No, it can't be that, since that is the exact opposite of what Carled said in the first post.
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| alex_heney wrote: |
| Wear The Fox Hat, No, it can't be that, since that is the exact opposite of what Carled said in the first post. |
Must be some other NOAA website then, not the real one. (but let's not let the facts get in the way of a rant against any environmental issues)
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Laser eye surgery, anyone? Or - more on topic - perhaps digital cameras, with which to photograph the receding glaciers?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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alex_heney, Wear The Fox Hat, whatever the source of the information might be, please note that carled referred to total sea ice whereas the graph refers to the Arctic only. As I mentioned above, the temperature of the Southern and Northern Hemispheres have been diverging quite sharply for the last several years.
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laundryman, the problem is that the claimed source has not released the data quoted!
The reference to 13 million square kilometeres down to 4 million looks remarkably like the figures for the northern hemisphere.
Regarding the divergence of temperature, could that be due to human impact?
Some stats on temperature changes here:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2007/oct/global.html#temp
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You know it makes sense.
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Wear The Fox Hat, there are two main global temperature series, GISS (a US compiled series and the basis of the info in your link) and HADCRUT (a UK-compiled series that I linked to above). Interestingly, they have diverged significantly since 2000 - with HADCRUT now showing a distinct decline in average global temperature with GISS a mere levelling off.
Here is some data pointing out the differing recent behaviour of sea ice in the arctic and antarctic:
http://maps.grida.no/go/graphic/regional-changes-in-arctic-and-antarctic-sea-ice
Yes, I do believe this divergence may be, at least in part, due to human influence. However, factors such as changes in land use - which affects the earth's albedo - might (to my mind) be as important, or more important, than greenhouse gases.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I was once in West AFrica with journalists covering the Sahel drought. They were mostly a shower, but the Daily Express were the worst of the lot. They datelined one of their stories "50 miles west of the desert town of Nioro", having failed to work out that that put them in the sea. They couldn't be bothered to do the trip into the Mali desert (well, it was rather hot, there were no bars, they had no local currency, they had stupidly unsuitable clothes on, they could speak no word of French and didn't bother to listen to the translations provided by the British Embassy...) to get the real story. The entire thrust of their report was rubbish. They were beneath contempt. Radio 4's report was the least inaccurate, and the inaccuracy was a misunderstanding, not deliberately misleading. The ITV TV news "created" an absurd scene to photograph (two Malians, who had been sensibly escaping the murderous midday heat by sleeping under the only bush for miles around, obligingly stood up and did some completely pointless hoeing) and deliberately misrepresented the thrust of the Mali Government's message in order to embarass HMG. I was in my 'twenties; the whole episode gave me a healthy scepticism about anything I read in the Press, or see on TV.
It takes a real effort to get past the soundbites and nonsense. Because there are real uncertainties about some of the data, and some of the causal factors, etc. it's too easy to dismiss the whole "global warming" debate as propaganda. Reminds me of my overweight, under-exercised, brother in law who says "none of the experts agree about what's healthy" so carries on not bothering too much about being 17 stone.
It will be very interesting to track down what, exactly, the research cited by Carled found to be the case.
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Poster: A snowHead
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back to glaciers shrinking.. if glaciers stopped shrinking wouldnt it take decades for anyone to notice as they move at such a sllloooowww speed..
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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pam w, I never realised we were related (even by marriage) 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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CANV CANVINGTON, Glacial.
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| laundryman wrote: |
| Yes, I do believe this divergence may be, at least in part, due to human influence. However, factors such as changes in land use - which affects the earth's albedo - might (to my mind) be as important, or more important, than greenhouse gases. |
Totalyl agree. A lot of emphasis is put on greenhouse gases, or "global warming", but I think deforestation is important, as is the amount of pollution we produce (household rubbish as well as gas/solid/liquid from manufactuirng), the amount of wastage, the disruption/destruction of ecosystems, and intensive farming (of animals, fish & vegetation)
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What about helmets, wouldn't they protect us from falling glacial ice 
BTW, 5 degree F this morning, a foot of snow last night, doesn't feel like global warming to me, even though I totally beleive we are fing up this planet and the sooner the US administration gets on board the better
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I'm finding the article referenced all over the internet, but nothing on NOAA site. Therefore I've done the only sensible thing and emailed the bloke in charge of climate change data at the NOAA - maybe he'll reply and let me know their position on the statements!
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| AxsMan wrote: |
| CANV CANVINGTON, Glacial. |
please spare me the spell check unless your own spelling , punctuation, grammar, syntax blah etc blah is perfect..
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carled, hope you get a response! (did you include a link to some of the web pages referencing it?)
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I certainly did and I got a very swift reply!
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| Hi... The news article is incorrect when it attributes this to NOAA. It actually is not a NOAA report, but looks like it might have been done out of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. |
Let the reference-hunting continue...!
He didn't deny it was accurate...
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carled, looks like 800+ websites just repeat stuff without even a cursory check of the sources. (I wonder how many will post a correction, or will it just be ignored?)
Well done to you for actually checking, and to the NOAA for getting back to you!
Time to ask NASA?
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