 Poster: A snowHead
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20litre or 16 lite or a compact one?
Big enough to fit shovel, probe, camelbak, transceiver, other bits and bobs
been looking at dakine heli pro or
salomon zero s
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GordonFreeman, 16 or 20litre is too small for full avi gear plus other off-piste essentials. Dakine Heli Pro, the Pro II & their Vertex pack are superb but too small.
Get something 27/28/29 litre capacity with compression straps for when it's not full. Make sure it's bladder pack compatible & has a ski carry system.
I've a Black Diamond Frenzy 28litre pack that I'm just about to put on the market at a very cheap price if you're interested.
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I use 16l for a daypack (BCA Stash IIRC). Works well for me, but I carry very little stuff (shovel, probe, sometimes a water bladder, hat, sunnies, Kit-kat, spare Kit-kat, emergency Kit-kat, that kind of stuff. For that 16l is about right for me, and doesn't need to be removed on chairlifts.
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rob@rar, wow 16l is small. I always carry a midweight fleece as unless it's v.cold when I set off I only wear a base layer. I always carry a bladder pack, hat, mask, spare gloves, spare gogs, wallet, phone, first aid kit & a mini tool kit. Nothing in my pockets except a map & lipsalve. Can't get all that in 16l. I still never have to take off my pack on chairlifts. I'd still recommend buying a bigger pack that can be compressed down when required as you'll also use it as your carry-on luggage bag.
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spyderjon, I'd guess that if you wore the fleece you'd get the rest in my pack without too much hassle. I keep the phone in a pocket, don't bother with spares (other than Kit-kats), carry no tools, etc. Mine is more of a daypack for a bit of lift-served off-piste rather than a backcountry pack.
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GordonFreeman, dakine heli pro - it works and I've never met anyone who is not pleased with theirs.
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I'm more with spyderjon on the size front and find my Marmot La Meije works very well. At 35 litres it is rather on the large side but compresses down nicely. The only downside is you tend to throw in more stuff than you really need (down jacket/camera etc). The ski carry system is quick, painless and extremely well balanced. There's a 25 litre version this year (the fireball) but have never used it and hence cannot comment.
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a marmot la meije is a perfect size for a week of hut to hut touring. as a day pack, i have no idea what people put into their packs that 20l isn't enough 
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| Arno wrote: |
| i have no idea what people put into their packs that 20l isn't enough |
Kit kats. It's a wonder they make DIN settings high enough.
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Heli pro seems to be about £60 and then you have to buy a camelbak to go with.
What's the Salomon Zero S like? I thought it came with a camel bak included and has all the other functionality?
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| stoatsbrother wrote: |
| GordonFreeman, dakine heli pro - it works and I've never met anyone who is not pleased with theirs. |
Wot he said. Another vote for the Heli pro.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| Kit-kat, spare Kit-kat, emergency Kit-kat |
Are you mad? Peanut M&Ms, a Twix and some Jelly Babies/Cola Bottles are a far superior choice. 
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Kramer, as ever, you have great taste The trouble is with that combination is that I would have eaten my entire day's supply of sugar before the first lift. The advantage to Kit-kats is that I don't really like them so there is a fair chance that they might last until later in the day when they would be more appreciated.
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You know it makes sense.
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rob@rar, If you fill your sack with maltesers then they may act like an ABS system and keep you on the surface 
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GordonFreeman, dont put your transceiver in your pack, wear it.
spyderjon, bca stash takes all avi gear plus picnic, come on how big is the mini tool kit.
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| jbob wrote: |
| .....spyderjon.......come on how big is the mini tool kit. |
Rumbled 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Scarpa wrote: |
| rob@rar, If you fill your sack with maltesers then they may act like an ABS system and keep you on the surface |
Top tip! How many Maltesers family packs would it take to fill 16 litres. At this point can I revise my advice and say that at least 30 litres (of Maltesers) is required?
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spyderjon, I use an Osprey Switch 16L pack , good ski carry system and 2 very handy hipstrap pocket, will hold 2ltr bladder, shovel, probe, sunnies, glove liners, face mask, spare micro fleece, edge tool, notwax,lock and most importantly hip flask and still has room for more .
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I've just bought an Osprey Stratos 24 for skiing and biking. The pack itself is very light weight, bladder compatible and has plenty of compression straps. I've used it s couple of times and it's great, the fit to your back is the best i've ever used. You hardly know it's there.
I'd recommend it but maybe mistermouse's Osprey Switch is better if you want a ski carry system too.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I use a Dakine heli pro, but find it a bit small. Its Ok for on piste use, but if I'm touring I like to be able to fit a lot of kit in it. For skinning up I might be wearing just saloppettes and T shirt, but I need to carry fleece, jacket and waterproof - never know what conditons might end up like (especially when you do all your touring in scotland )
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I have a BCA Stash 40 and an Osprey Switch 25 + 5. Both are big enough for day tours. The Stash is lighter but the ski carry system is too flimsy - for big climbs, the ski edges will (has  ) chaff a hole in the pack in next to no time.
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I'd personally go for 20l if it's just for day tours/lift served with no glacier travel - skins are quite bulky if you have fat skis. If you are going to on galciers with any risk of open crevasses etc then you'll need space harness, rope, ascenders, etc, perhaps even crampons - 30l would be better. For multi-day hut to hut stuff then I think I'd prefer 40l with good compression.
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20 ltrs carries everything.... small rope, harness, decent sized shovel..and therefore not next to useless.. and othere day stuff....
More to the point is how heavy you want the thing to be.. ..
I wouldn't want the pack loaded to the brim tho'... a bit of a uncomfortable feel, IMV
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I vote for a larger size, around 25L is normally enough. I also have a 32L. I hope you people using ting 16L packs never have the stuff hit the fan and have to stay over night, as you are obviously not taking enough gear to survive a night in the backcountry.
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| wbsr wrote: |
| I vote for a larger size, around 25L is normally enough. I also have a 32L. I hope you people using ting 16L packs never have the stuff hit the fan and have to stay over night, as you are obviously not taking enough gear to survive a night in the backcountry. |
i think Mark Twight said something like, "if you pack for a bivouac, you will have a bivouac"
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wbsr, this is Europe, 'backcountry' is a porta-potty behind the mountain bar.
But seriously, we don't have the extended ungroomed areas that you do over the pond so unless people are going ski touring they don't need to carry much for a day on the hill. Though I do think that we should all carry a little more as a basic survival package, if not for just ourselves but to be able to keep an injured companion warm and comfortable whilst waiting 2 or 3 hours for the rescue team to get there.
Mine usually has a space blanket, spare gloves, extra (thicker, windproof) fleece, spare hat, led bicycle lamps (red flashing and white) and two chemical heat packs. Oddly I rarely carry food 'cos I'm a lardy booger but thinking about it I should carry a hydration bladder.
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