 Poster: A snowHead
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Is it posslble to get thrown off the slopes?I ask this question because we are going skiing for the second time this year and last year we had one or two nasty moments with skiiers and boarders coming down the slopes totally out of control crashing into people with the potetial to cause serious injury.We were in Romania last year and with the help of very good instructors made good progress and are hoping to make further progress in Andorra this year.My wife got wiped out by a drunken yob on a snowboard luckily she wasnt badly hurt but it did make her nervous and she spent alot of time looking back.I understand that we are all there to have fun but should people who are dangerous to others either through drink or lack of ability be allowes to spoil other peoples holidays or even worse inflict serious damage?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I've often wondered that mysefl!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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yes, you can have you lift pass removed from you.
Piste patrol and ski school have the authority to remove lift passes and there are cases. Not that i have ever experienced, but im sure someone on here can tell us of an experience.
It is normally done, when skiers are being irresponsible to the degree there going to put someones safety in jeproady. It is normally done when people act stupidly, not if they cause accidents like skiing a too difficult piste and wiping a load of people out.
If someone was drunk, im sure they would take their lift pass away.
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I would think it depends on the resort - have read in the past about irresponsible behaviour being grounds to be denied usage of the lifts.
I guess the only way it'll happen is if the slopes are well patrolled (or theres enough patrollers nearby for someone to grass them up to!). Can only see someone being chucked off if they're actually caugh in the act..
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eddyr i have heard of many instances of ski instructors, especially ESF demanding lift passes from irresponsible skiiers when caught in the act, . It isnt just piste patrol, but your right they would need to be caught in the act.
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here you get caught in a wildlife area and it's bye bye pass.
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In North America people can (and do) lose their passes for skiing in "out of bounds" areas and for skiing fast/recklessly in "slow" skiing areas. The former is pretty well automatic, the latter often only results in a warning.
Of course in North america most people only buy one day passes, since the resorts often do not offer large savings for buying multi-day tickets, so it's no huge drama to lose your pass.
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The board at the bottom of Wizard Express said (at lunch time) that 7 people have lost lift pass rights for the season already. At the end of the day on Blackcomb there are a number of Mountain Safety guys by all of the SLOW signs on the main run down which everyone uses. I've seen a few during the days as well, so I presume they keep a look out throughout and then keep an eye on the busy run for people who think you can ski the same way on a packed run as you can on any empty one... 
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Was always impressed by the numbers of ski-patrollers out in the US, who were not afraid to stop people and take passes. Pleased to see that over the last few years there seems to be an increasing number in France.
I suspect it is a fact that your drunken yob skiers are more likely to be found in the cheaper resorts such as Bulgaria etc?
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OK so this all starts to sound very negative much like the skiing gestapo - so to put it in perspective, has anyone here actually had theirs taken off them? (Be it a fair cop guv, or a misunderstanding?)
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eddyr, nope...
but have seen ski patrol remove a pair of skis from owner (sent skis to bottom of resort for collection from ski patrol office)...
Have also seen patrol restrain a violent client(trying to take out ski instructor who had spoken to him re his on piste behaviour)
and the best.... saw the police called and arrive and ask for a skiers passport after he totalled a girl that patrol had to remove in bucket 
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| eddyr wrote: |
| OK so this all starts to sound very negative much like the skiing gestapo - so to put it in perspective, has anyone here actually had theirs taken off them? (Be it a fair cop guv, or a misunderstanding?) |
No but I have been told to slow down by patrollers on those busy run outs at Whistler and Snowbird.
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You know it makes sense.
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they gotta catch ya to stop ya, no mirrors and mp3 player........... they can see me at the bottom if i am still there
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Interesting the difference between the US and Europe, Chamonix are set to have "ambassadors" I wonder if that will have any impact. Also important are the tactics required to avoid being hit, I often see skiers and boarders stopping in obvious blind spots on pistes and doing wide zig zags, although the overtaker always has the ultimate responsibility they really are accidents waiting to happen.
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Poster: A snowHead
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doghead,I don't know which resort in Andorra you will be in but in Soldeu there are "Ski hosts" who are frequently out on the pistes in the busy periods by the large slow signs, they will tell people to take care when it is crowded. They are employed by Grandvalira so probably have the authority to take away passes, however some are quite tasty young girls, not too sure how they would fare with a drunken skier.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Chucked off the Mont de la Chambre (Les Menuires, Meribel, VT mountain top junction)terrace a couple of times at Easter, with a nice 750m vertical ski home on empty pistes. Pure heaven.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Boris wrote: |
Was always impressed by the numbers of ski-patrollers out in the US, who were not afraid to stop people and take passes. Pleased to see that over the last few years there seems to be an increasing number in France.
I suspect it is a fact that your drunken yob skiers are more likely to be found in the cheaper resorts such as Bulgaria etc? |
What a snobby comment Boris and completely untrue.
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I'm sure its been aired previously but IMO, the ones most likey to inflict harm on the pistes are the euros. Cocky French and Italian, T"!Ts who all think thy're Klammer, or Tomba etc. Give me a gun and let me at 'em 
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| Boris wrote: |
I suspect it is a fact that your drunken yob skiers are more likely to be found in the cheaper resorts such as Bulgaria etc? |
Thanks for that educated observation Boris. Please let us know how you have arrived at this assumption?
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I used to know a brilliant skier who had discovered, on holiday to the US that there was a short cut through a wood to where he was staying. He had just gone off the piste to do this one day and a guy jumped out from behind a tree and said "You are out of bounds, I am going to take away your ski pass" to which he replied "OK just follow me down and I'll give it to you at the bottom". He then skied off into the trees and the ski patroller couldn't keep up and he lost him.
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some are quite tasty young girls, not too sure how they would fare with a drunken skier.
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maybe some gallant lads would rally round to offer support....?
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| jbob wrote: |
| ...I often see skiers and boarders .......... doing wide zig zags, although the overtaker always has the ultimate responsibility, they really are accidents waiting to happen. |
What's wrong with 'wide zig zags'? Not everyone can (or wants to) make short turns all the time.
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Red Leon, I think one does need to be very alert when doing wide carving turns. Zigging when someone is Zagging can be a disaster.
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You know it makes sense.
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| jbob wrote: |
| Interesting the difference between the US and Europe, Chamonix are set to have "ambassadors" I wonder if that will have any impact. Also important are the tactics required to avoid being hit, I often see skiers and boarders stopping in obvious blind spots on pistes and doing wide zig zags, although the overtaker always has the ultimate responsibility they really are accidents waiting to happen. |
I often board across the piste if I see a bit of powder or terrain I want to hit. Never understood the fascination of gettin down the mountain in the least amount of turns. You are right tho - Ive been hit more than a couple of times by people from behind whilst cruising wide turns and then told I was at fault  I think this is more anger through the embarassment of falling on ones back bottom than anything else tho.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Cobra.. wrote: |
| Boris wrote: |
I suspect it is a fact that your drunken yob skiers are more likely to be found in the cheaper resorts such as Bulgaria etc? |
Thanks for that educated observation Boris. Please let us know how you have arrived at this assumption? |
To be fair, he has a small point. Who's willing to pay the extortionate prices for a drink in the alps? 
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Poster: A snowHead
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OK so this all starts to sound very negative much like the skiing gestapo
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Actually eddyr, I think it's responsible policing. Since both I and Mrs A have been wiped out by people riding/skiing too fast and out of control (and quite badly injured in my case - I hate to think what might have happened to me if I'd been a 6-year-old) I'm always happy to see the ski patrol ensuring that people don't ski recklessly.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Red Leon wrote: |
| jbob wrote: |
| ...I often see skiers and boarders .......... doing wide zig zags, although the overtaker always has the ultimate responsibility, they really are accidents waiting to happen. |
What's wrong with 'wide zig zags'? Not everyone can (or wants to) make short turns all the time. |
The danger is greatest on low angle pistes with rollers where most riders/skiers are traveling at high speed in a straight line, if you are traversing below one of the rollers ie in a blind spot, irrespective of who's at fault its just a question of time.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| jbob wrote: |
| Red Leon wrote: |
| jbob wrote: |
| ...I often see skiers and boarders .......... doing wide zig zags, although the overtaker always has the ultimate responsibility, they really are accidents waiting to happen. |
What's wrong with 'wide zig zags'? Not everyone can (or wants to) make short turns all the time. |
The danger is greatest on low angle pistes with rollers where most riders/skiers are traveling at high speed in a straight line, if you are traversing below one of the rollers ie in a blind spot, irrespective of who's at fault its just a question of time. |
I know what you mean but the blame in such circumstances is always with the uphill skiier whose responsibility it is to avoid others
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Dave Canski, Cobra.., wasn't intention to be snobby - but make a point that IME groups of lads who want to be doing a lot of drinking tend to go to cheaper resorts, particularly if they're skint, I know I did! Is there not some similarity here between Ibiza, where there is a reasonable amount of beer comnsumed and somewhere like Tuscany, where you're more likely to find families and older people and behaviour is a bit more refined.
I am not of course saying that everyone who goes to cheaper resorts is a drunken yob!
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Red Leon, I totally agree where the blame lies.
My point was that others behavior is largely out of my control but there are tactics available that will help keep me out of hospital, whoever is responsible for the bill.
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| Boris wrote: |
Dave Canski, Cobra.., wasn't intention to be snobby - but make a point that IME groups of lads who want to be doing a lot of drinking tend to go to cheaper resorts, particularly if they're skint, I know I did! Is there not some similarity here between Ibiza, where there is a reasonable amount of beer comnsumed and somewhere like Tuscany, where you're more likely to find families and older people and behaviour is a bit more refined.
I am not of course saying that everyone who goes to cheaper resorts is a drunken yob! |
Boris my friend please please please read your posts before posting, Ibiza and Tuscany indeed !
Bansko (like Tuscany) is full of families but on ski holidays hardly any drunken louts in sight. There is a great atmosphere around the place in summer and in winter. I don't believe the tourists visit there because it is 'cheap' but because it is excellent value for money.
The skiing (although no where near as extensive) is as testing if not more testing than what I experienced on my last 2 visits to Val Thorens. Ok I admit that outside of Bulgaria I have only skied VT up to now but at least I can say I have been there, can fairly compare and not make ridiculous unfounded generalisations like yours.
The standard of accomodation in Bansko is far superior and far cheaper. People are out spending their money and enjoying themselves, it is very child friendly with plenty to offer the kids after skiing. Last season I met French skiers there who vow to return year after year to beat the ridiculous prices charged in France. They probably enjoy the atmosphere as well but I didn't see them misbehaving even when they realised they could get 5 half litre glasses of beer for the price of one at home.
As for the skidvd crew thats another matter but then again ski dvd is the only way to ski
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Boris, I seem to remember a certain Mr Blair travelled to Tuscany with a couple of drunken louts
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Acacia, I absolutely agree that its a good thing as long as its responsibly dished out. Its just the post started to read (to me) like anything you do will end you up pass-less.
Luckily, only had minor bumps into people and never a full on crash (touches a large log)
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