 Poster: A snowHead
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Is it sensible to seperate discussions about skiing so people know what they are wading into. Would it encourage more people to join in? As a first attempt how about the two sections being:-
"How to Ski"
General questions about Ski Instruction and Ski Schools. Go here to get help with your skiing, get feedback and talk about skiing in simple recreational terms. Recommend ski schools or instructors.
"How Skiing Works"
In-depth discussion about Ski Technique & Analysis with a highly technical bent. Go here to discuss specific skills or movements, teaching systems, organizations, body mechanics or other technical issues.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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In general I'm not in favour of having lots of subsections dealing with very small areas, but if it addresses the concerns some people have expressed recently about BZK it might be a good idea.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Cannot see the point - I think the suggestions thread shows how the same stuff can spread anywhere.
Might be an idea to have a mod lock a thread if the question posed in an OP has actually been answered though?
I think the fact we haven't heard from admin about this whole issue this tells us that he is content with the way things are.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Nope, against that idea...... I don't think the forum needs to be devisive or exclusive beyond what people choose to post.
The Snowboard section is normally out of bounds for me only because I don't feel inclined.... but I shouldn't be made to feel unwelcome there.... not that I have been, AFAICT..!!
If people make inappropriate posts, then so what...as long as the good intention is there. The good natured self mod'......generally.... makes this such a welcoming place, IMV
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Perhaps it would help more if we split SZK into 2 sections 
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Frosty the Snowman, Perhaps by the simple expedient of leaving him in a cage with a tiger?
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JT, Huhhh, how is having two sections unwelcoming, exclusive or devisive? I would think just the opposite 
Frosty the Snowman, Good one! I do note that our little gremlin hasnt posted on any of the threads i started supporting BZK's... Does he only spout his shoite when lagered up?
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skimottaret, cheeky imp rather than little gremlin IMHO
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How about;
bend ze Ankles all mountain free skiers
bend ze Knees beginners (old school)
bend ze hips racers
bend ze elbow pissheads
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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skimottaret,
You think " How skiing works" with a highly technical bent will not be exclusive or devisive...people will be made to feel unelcome and not post for fear of being derided...the exact same thing that caused this issue in the first place..only it was the people who wanted to talk technical until the cows came home that got upset and thought that a decamp would help...
I'd say...no no-go areas..whether by purpose or design... If you want the same feel as some other forums then that is exactly the way to do it, IMV..and that would be a a very sad thing. There is nothing much wrong here than a few blow-out haven't fixed...
IMO.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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JT, fair enough, i see where you are coming from now.... not sure i agree that people will be made unwelcome, but rather would know what they are getting into... wouldnt want to start a no - go area, kinda pointless as you say.
But the few blow outs hasnt fixed anything, rather it has completely put off loads of people from posting and has actually created a no- go area IMO
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| jbob wrote: |
How about;
bend ze Ankles all mountain free skiers
bend ze Knees beginners (old school)
bend ze hips racers
bend ze elbow pissheads |
A beginners section like the one on Epicski may be worthwhile.
I would think people may be more helpful and less argumentative if they are talking to a neophyte.
Less chance, perhaps, of fighting with the original poster and others who join in.
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You know it makes sense.
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No
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Latchigo, effectively it is already a beginners' section. The mechanisms you name are already at work.
Still leaves those who want to talk about something above that. And how that is to work if ever.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I feel like this is flogging a dead horse and I give up. I think the best solution to avoid upsetting anyone on  's is to post any future technical questions on EPIC, thanks all for your input
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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skimottaret, do what works for you, I've appreciated your enthusiasm and patience among that of others.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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skimottaret,
Why not just start a protocol where the thread states what level you are talking about so individuals can decide whether its talking about them or they are just making noise.
I don't speak form a position of strength - while I'll happily read books or watch vids about skiing I just don't get it in written word alone so Epic style threads just turn me off - embedded vid clips and photos work much better.
& less of people repeating their own hobby horses on every thread ad nauseum might help.
Oh & more tele geekery please
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FWIW I have enjoyed some of the technical threads even though they are partly over my head, and I don't read them all. It's interesting to see where there is disagreement between some of the instructors, or differences of emphasis, even if I couldn't myself do the stuff they're talking about. I don't see a problem with having posts which are obviously of interest to a limited range of people - that's true of most - I don't go to the Jungfrau (though I'd like to one day) so don't normally read stuff about Wengen. If people don't like stuff, they don't need to read it. The occasional bout of foot stamping, sulking or taking the p*ss is quite entertaining from time to time.
I also don't think many people would easily grasp the difference between "how to ski" and "how skiing works" and maybe it's a false distinction anyway. Explaining to a beginner about the way to do snowplough turns, for example, means explaining how skis work, doesn't it?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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skimottaret, I think something similar has been discussed here recently hasn't it Personally I don't have a problem with how things are now, but if people feel that their questions fit into either title they could add it to the subject line.
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Explaining to a beginner about the way to do snowplough turns, for example, means explaining how skis work, doesn't it?
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No, Yes, Maybe 
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Frosty the Snowman, stoatsbrother, Well it would clearly take a little more than the two of you. 
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, you win
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Fookin ell. I go away skiing for a few days, and i return to find that sH's have driven away yet another valuable pro contributor? 
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veeeight, he's not left, he posted on Friday pm. You gave me a bit of a start there!
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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I don't think he's going to bother posting much in BzK by the sounds of it though. Hope i'm wrong.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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veeeight, Oh I hope you are wrong too, he has helped me in the past for which I am grateful
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Can I ask who you're referring to?
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You know it makes sense.
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skimottaret
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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veeeight, I hope you are wrong too. skimottaret, is too valuable to loose over all this. Many of us really benefit from his posts and dedication to this area of the forum - you only have to look at the glossary to appreciate his time and effort. 
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Poster: A snowHead
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so, just to clarify, are the problems being caused by the experts or by recreationals?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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FWIW I think a 'beginners' section could be helpful. Giving folks somewhere to start and somewhere that they are not afraid to ask 'dumb' questions. I'm not unhappy with the current structure, but do think that adding a friendly little 'ask your dumb questions here' section would be welcoming. (and useful to me  )
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Frosty the Snowman wrote: |
| so, just to clarify, are the problems being caused by the experts or by recreationals? |
surely your joking, dont you know everyones an expert here
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AxsMan, Superb idea.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Frosty the Snowman, Nowt you daft apeth. Last time i post on this tired and circular thread.
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, A large beer says not 
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Frosty the Snowman, a large beer says "drink me". For SZK, a thimbleful of whisky is normally enough.
So, the section (better not use the word "dumb", as that's un-PC) how about "Simple questions, simple answers", and then let the rest be for bigger questions/answers.
Could there be a rule put in place that if all a non-instructor wants to say is "I agree", or "isn't he/she wonderful", that that type of post should not be made.
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Wear The Fox Hat, Who is going to define simple? Can instructors say " i agree" or "isn't he/she wonderful"? Are we allowed to say "Thank you for helping me, you're a very nice person"? If we can, which section to say it in?
i think we may be in danger of making posting a bit complicated never mind the answers and that might upset some
Couldn't we just ignore the posts we don't like? I don't think you can stop people from posting but you don't have to answer and some comments are clearly made only to innitiate a certain response.
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ickabodblue, no problem with saying "thank you for helping", but if one person asks the question, and an instructor replies, closely follwed by a few people who like the instructor saying "I had lessons with them once, they are wonderful" etc, then it's no longer about the original question, but about the instructor.
It may make things more complicated, but if no guidelines are put in place then the idea of trying to encourage others (instructors/students) to take part doesn't seem to be a worthwhile exercise.
Without guidelines, then I think the best chance for progression would be politeness and respect.
I'd sum that up as follows:
1. Treat others as you want them to treat you - if you are rude/beligerent, be prepared for the same back. If someone is polite to you, you should be polite in your reply.
2. Respect others. Respect the person who asks the question. Respect the person who has taken time to reply. Respect an instructor for their skill. Respect the student who could be the one paying your salary. Respect someone who disagrees with you - they may have a different opinion, but that doesn't make them automatically wrong.
3. If you think that 1 and 2 don't apply to you, then think again.
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