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Too Much Snow ????

 Poster: A snowHead
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OK, everyone I think its wake up time.

Yes. its fantastic that such early snow has fallen and given everyone great hope for the season.

But remember Galtur was only 9 years ago!!

Therefore, it maybe wise to start thinking about where you are skiing ie off piste, have you heeded local warnings, are you equipped, do you know the protocols for skiing in dangerous areas.

Also in 1999, a lot of the ski resorts in Austria closed for several weeks, people were under curfews in the resorts, due to the amount of snow and unsafe conditions.

So me thinks its time for cold temperatures and blue skies for a bit.


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That was an El Nina year as well I read somewhere
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Despite the devastation Silvrettatal in (Galtur,Zee,Kappl,Maton, Ischgl) 1999 none of the big slides were in the ski areas. All towns were in lockdown.

The snow Austria has been getting since Novemeber 8th is perfect as warm spells & rain between the dumps is compacting the base.

Im sure however, it will not be long before the first fatality is reported as the Tirol risk is currently posted as 3 which is when most people think its Ok & get caught. More folk are killed at level 3 than any other level
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stanton,

Someone killed in an avalanche in Switzerland yesterday.
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Right on cue Sad
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Apparently he was swiss and was out skinning with friends when they triggered the avalanche, he was found under about a metre of snow, probably because he had a transceiver. Tis the season, so "Be carefull out there..." Sad
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If it this guy he is dead? He is 32yr old Frenchman & the first victim of the (Swiss) season

http://www.espace.ch/artikel_454594.html
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Just found this inquest video about the the six Swiss army recruits who were killed back in July on the northern flank of the Jungfrau mountain,
The men had scaled about 3,800m of the 4,158m (13,642ft) peak when the accident occurred.

http://media.espace.ch//files/480956_lawine.rm
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some one got caught in a slide in St Anton yesterday so the gossip goes but survived Very Happy
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redrunmarcus wrote:
That was an El Nina year as well I read somewhere


El Nino drier and La Nina which is wetter at least in states. No such thing as a El Nina.

I always love those major dumps where you have so much snow you can't even go down the steepest run on the mtn.
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arlberg, crikey, I'd never heard of Galtur, have just read about it on Wikipedia. Shocking stuff! Shocked
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arlberg, a good reminder to all of us.
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arlberg, crikey, I'd never heard of Galtur, have just read about it on Wikipedia. Shocking stuff! Shocked


Discovery Channel did a program on the Galtur disaster.


Galtur disaster in Full

http://air.droessler.at/berichte/Galtuer/index.html
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stanton, I saw a programme on Discovery about it, one of their Seconds from Disaster series I think. They still show it quite often either that or it was on the National Geographic Channel, can't remember now. Anyway, they show the series quite often so it should be easy enough to find.. even with my lousy description!
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ive seen that programme.

it was shocking, houses in the red zone(largest threat of avalancehe).

The avalanche ploughed its way through into the green zone(avalanche risk free supposidly) knocking down housing etc
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This page from the BBC website makes interesting reading about the disaster. Lot's of eye-witness accounts and details of the subsequent research on the disaster. Very thought provoking.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/1999/avalanche_script.shtml
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This is one of the photos form the site above which best shows the slide path

http://air.droessler.at/berichte/Galtuer/Galtuer/galtuer_mstatistikbild1.htm
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Avalanches are more a factor of the layers of snow than the amount and how well the layers bond together. Low snow years with lots of Cold clear nights can be a lot worse than years with a lot of snow. That being said. A dump of 2' of heavy snow definately has high avalanche potential it is really what type of layer this new snow falls on that determines avalanche hazards
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Yup far too much snow,

http://pas-de-la-casa-grau-roig.andorramania.com/ultimes-imatges.php

hopefully it will stop by the time I get to Pas de al casa next weekend snowHead ........ Sad
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Proper Job's comforters you lot. It's only just started snowing and already your thining about dying. Yep v.sorry for anyone caught in avalanche and never been in one myself but avalanches are an occupational hazard where snow and mountains are concerned.
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halfhand wrote:
Proper Job's comforters you lot. It's only just started snowing and already your thining about dying. Yep v.sorry for anyone caught in avalanche and never been in one myself but avalanches are an occupational hazard where snow and mountains are concerned.


The folks who dont prepare (forward think) are 99% the victims Sad
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halfhand wrote:
Proper Job's comforters you lot. It's only just started snowing and already your thining about dying. Yep v.sorry for anyone caught in avalanche and never been in one myself but avalanches are an occupational hazard where snow and mountains are concerned.


Halfhand,

I'd sooner being reading messages from you rather than about you.

The purpose of the thread was to make people realise that there is a lot of snow out there to have fun in, but as always not even all the training in the world can prevent an avalanche from happening.

Its not about dying, its about making sure you can ski again next holiday or next year!!
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arlberg, An intelligent thread, with a good purpose. Are you adopted? Toofy Grin
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arlberg, An intelligent thread, with a good purpose. Are you adopted? Toofy Grin


Frosty something got lost in the bloodline somewhere
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(Ober)Lech: 7 Dec 10:13:
It is pissing rain here and is doing so all the way up to 2100m Sad Sad
The good news is this is only going to last till this afternoon and then it turns cold and will snow snow snow Madeye-Smiley Madeye-Smiley Madeye-Smiley
They have more snow here than they have had in the last twenty years! It's the first time that anyone can remember that you have ben able to do the Madloch circuit (Lech-Zürs-Zug-Lech) at the beginning of December! Things are shaping up for a fantastic season Toofy Grin
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If you get a nice dump, then a load of rain onto it, then a new fresh dump, how does that knit together? Does it reduce avalanche risk or increase?
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tommy10pages wrote:
If you get a nice dump, then a load of rain onto it, then a new fresh dump, how does that knit together? Does it reduce avalanche risk or increase?


Tommy10pages,

From what I've gleaned over the years, there is no definite answer.
It is a combination of many factors including, temperature, atmos pressure, moisture content ........

This link may help, they are considered the leading authority on Europe on causes.


http://www.slf.ch/welcome-en.html
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arlberg, Have you checked out their (SLF Davos) "white Risk" CD rom? Mine arrived yesterday it is a self tutorial, at €uros 21.5 it is well worth getting.
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Today

Tirol Avalanche Risk

http://www.lawine.at/content.html?_content=uebersicht&_rgn=RGN16at

Voralberg

http://www.vorarlberg.at/lawine/
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Guys. The conditions now are not even close to what they were when the avalanche went down in Galtür. That year we had almost no snow followed by an enormous dump. This is not even comparable. Forget it. Enjoy the early winter.
It's now snowing again by the way Toofy Grin Toofy Grin Toofy Grin
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