 Poster: A snowHead
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Can someone explain how to do this in quite simple terms 'till I check that I'm doing it right?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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put one hand on the corresponding hip, hold you other arm out, bent like a spout.....bend from the hips, sideways, in the direction of the 'spout' arm....
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Guvnor, So "spout" pointing downhill and "handle" pointing uphill? So the bottom half is pointing in a different direction from the top half.
(you can see why I leave explainations to the experts)
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Just looked at the glossary of terms. I think I'm talking about hip angulation.
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ickabodblue, do you mean this?
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If you assume that the skis are across the opposite axis to the teapot there seems to be two ways of doing this (I am getting funny looks here) one keeps the soles of the feet (bases of the skis) flat on the floor/snow. However you can also do it rolling onto the edges of your feet/skis at the same time (rolling on to the same edge as would be the 'handle' side). I will also look at the glossary
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Frosty the Snowman, Exactly, no words needed, Hurtle would be proud! 
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Megamum, Same edge as the "spout". No?
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ickabodblue, I don't know - standing here I can get onto either edge depending on how I do the bend.
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Megamum No, you can see. thought about it again and your right, it's the "handle" edge!
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It's easy to use the teapot inappropriately - it's for improving edge angles when carving high speed turns. If that's not want you want to do it's best to find another drill.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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rob@rar, The reason I ask is I was trying it on the dry slope today and it felt fab. Chest puffed out I thought I was the bees knees. BUT when I came off I felt slight discomfort in my knees (might even have been pain to a man  ) I was aware that I had knees. Completely fine now.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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rob@rar, not sure i agree, I see the teapot drill used a lot in plough turn exercises to introduce angulation and moving the CoM inside. helps students get the feel of the inner edge and can sometimes help leg flex.
Megamum, ickabodblue, i have updated the glossary, have a look, you are right to be confused on what to do with the "spout" hand, there is not one correct way and each method addresses different problems...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Megamum, I'm a contortionist
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That reminds me, must update my sig after a comment by a locally respected ski instructor on my teapot turns in L2A.. 
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rob@rar, i do agree in that it can be used/done incorrectly and i see a lot of instructors getting people to lean their shoulders towards the outside of the turn in an attempt to weight the outer ski. I hate that one as it just gets peeps out of balance....
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| rob@rar, not sure i agree, I see the teapot drill used a lot in plough turn exercises to introduce angulation and moving the CoM inside. helps students get the feel of the inner edge and can sometimes help leg flex. |
Do you find that some (lots?) of people miss the point if using a teapot drill for low speed rotation type turns? On the few occasions I see skiers using it for that type of turn it seems to get them all out of shape, missing the point of using rotation to turn in a plough shape. The best use I've seen for teapot drills is the race clubs training in Tignes where they really flow from one arc to another with no rotation at all.
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skimottaret,Have reread the glossary - schlopy that's what I was doing. The glossary is great by the way.
I didn't feel at all out of balance, I felt great, almost like an "ah ha" moment, there is just that little nagging worry about the slight ache in my knees afterwards. Though i must emphasise the "slight" bit.
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| skimottaret wrote: |
| rob@rar, not sure i agree, I see the teapot drill used a lot in plough turn exercises to introduce angulation and moving the CoM inside. helps students get the feel of the inner edge and can sometimes help leg flex. |
Do you find that some (lots?) of people miss the point if using a teapot drill for low speed rotation type turns? On the few occasions I see skiers using it for that type of turn it seems to get them all out of shape, missing the point of using rotation to turn in a plough shape. The best use I've seen for teapot drills is the race clubs training in Tignes where they really flow from one arc to another with no rotation at all. |
agreed not a good drill at the rotatry only plough turn stage and i wouldnt use it until the students are flexing the outer leg (stage 2 ploughs in BASI speak or stage 3 ploughs with actively flex and extend of the outside leg and achieving pressure on the outside ski
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| The other hand can be extended straight out in front in line with the skis, crossed over the body to point down the fall line, bent at the elbow, or not, and I've seen some do it with the free arm out to the side (inside) of the turn - I wouldn't advocate that one personally. |
easiski - I agree the hand to the inside seems a bit odd but i think it can help if you are trying to get people to counter and keeping the shoulders square to the falline.
Im not to sure about the pointing arm crossing over the ski and down the fall line. when do you use that excercise?
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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easiski, yes I agree but as I'm about to start the BASI process I have no choice but to use their descriptions
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Poster: A snowHead
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why teach them to rotate anything to start with. Pressure applied to the ski (only a tiddly bit required on short skis) and the skis do the turning.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but this only works on the most gentle of slopes? Are you saying NO rotation at all?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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in the snowdome the rotation only bit lasts about 3 short runs before you get into flex and pressuring, but does have its place IMO to get em going.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Yes, I agree that in a snowdome if you don't teach rotation they'd soon be hitting the walls and barriers.
But - even on a mountain - one of the most common issues you observe with new/early intermediate skiers is that they don't complete/finish their turns off, so they just end up gaining speed until they have to throw in a hockey stop because it got all too exciting. So I'm missing the link between teaching no rotation and getting skiers to complete their turns. 
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I'm having real difficulty with visualising this one. Is there a video of the exercise around at all? I'm very interested in the 'finishing the turn' concept. Would the teapot drill help with over-finishing it ie (sorry if this is poorly expressed) starting to ski uphill, because of the fear - yes, easiski, I do agree that that contributes hugely to staying on the intermediate plateau - of initiating the next turn and the fact that that will inevitably involve pointing straight downhill at some stage in the proceedings. I have to speak very strongly to myself to avoid doing this on steeper slopes (cue madwoman talking to herself on slope ) and, if I can force myself to maintain a decent rhythm to the turns, I can usually keep skiing more or less downhill. But maybe teapot drill would help too??
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easiski,
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start beginners with the idea that the ski turns them, they don't turn the ski
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that is a good thought to place into the students mind. But (with head above parapit), when a first time skier asks "i dont get it, so just how do the skis turn me"? I would demonstrate with my hands that it is a combination of rotation, edging and lastly pressure. Rotation seems pretty fundamental , certainly when going from plough to plough parallel there can be an active rotary movement of the inner ski to match the outer.
I find for the first half of an hour lesson at least Rotation (point your toes in the direction you want to go) is a good place to start as "pressuring" the skis gets the kids leaning all over the place and "edging" invariably ends up with wobbly or knocking knees.
for rob@rar's benefit we were taught (quite strongly) that during initial plough turn exercises talking about "pressure" is a bad thing prefering instead to get the students to "flex" or "sink" and as easyski says let the skis do the turning. Only when they are actively flexing and extending should pressure come into play.
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| when a first time skier asks "i dont get it, so just how do the skis turn me"? I would demonstrate with my hands that it is a combination of rotation, edging and lastly pressure. Rotation seems pretty fundamental , certainly when going from plough to plough parallel there can be an active rotary movement of the inner ski to match the outer. |
That's why I don't think teapot drills are good for this type of turn. From what I've seen of it the teapot drill is about minimising leg rotation and maximising angulation to get better edge angles (with the 'spout' arm being used to stabilise the upper body).
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skimottaret, double teapot? Both hands on hips?
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rob@rar, see glossary but yes
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