 Poster: A snowHead
|
|
I recently heard that it was possible to skip right through this with some sort of exemption arrangement, assuming the trainee is at a certain standard. Does anyone know to who this applies? I've tried getting hold of BASI on the phone but they're obviously on holiday or something, as no one's been in for weeks.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
|
ice_pie - BASI are a nightmare to get hold of. My experience is that if they don't answer the phone first thing (10:00) then there's no point trying later.
There used to be exemptions for dry slope and forces instructors, but they've changed the qualifications this year - so it's anyone's guess what the new rules are. I'm pretty sure that ASSIs now have to do a one day conversion. But I could be talking out of my backside.
To be honest, you might be best off trying to get hold of Becci Malthouse from BASS Morzine and asking her. She's a BASI Trainer, so will know the policy. I'll PM (Personal Message) you some contact details.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
|
|
I've sent you a PM. Hit "Send/Read Messages" at the top right of the page - underneath the pumpkin.
|
|
|
|
|
|
You need to Login to know who's really who.
You need to Login to know who's really who.
|
|
ice_pie, What qualifications do you hold already and what level in BASI do you wish to achieve?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
|
|
Welll that's the problem. None, really. I've worked with the ESF a couple of times years and years ago (I took a few flocon 'lessons' (glorified nannying?) when they had too many brit kids up in Lindarets, P.d.S). Apart from that nothing really. But I've skied with people who were about to take BASI 1 and a some of them seemed um... hobby skiers. I used to race when i was a nipper as living in paris we could drive down to Argentiere most weekends. Since then I've done 4 winters ski-bumming or bar-manning, and wondered if experience, plus French Language (someone mentioned this helped), plus plenty of theory study might wangle me an exemption from the first step and give me a little jump start so i could hit the ground running this winter, shadow plenty of lessons, and then dive straight into BASI 2 at the first opportunity. Am keen to go as far as possible with qualifications (i'm aiming to be in the mountains for the foreseable future).
|
|
|
|
|
|
You'll need to Register first of course.
You'll need to Register first of course.
|
|
ice_pie, no, I don't think any of that experience gets you exemption from Level 1. If you want to follow the BASI route I think you have no alternative but to start at the bottom. You could do Level 1 early in the season, pick up your hours then do a Level 2 later this season.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
ice_pie, What level did you race at ? BASI will give an exemption from Level 1 if you had FIS points below 60 within the last 5 years.
|
|
|
|
|
|
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
|
|
No such luck! Was when i was a proper kiddo. 12 years ago. Am going to have a look at the french route. A french mate's looking at Test Technique this winter as well so will have a training buddy.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
rjs, if you are that good you would also get an exemption from the Eurotest and TT.
|
|
|
|
|
|
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
|
ice_pie, I dug out a very good guide the the instructor pathway as written by a BASI grade 1. It is a few years old but has a lot of information
|
|
|
|
|
|
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
|
|
Great stuff. Something to read through over the weekend. This must be the oldest PC in London and won't let me look at any files that aren't based on clockwork.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
ice_pie, You won't get any exemption from the BASI L1 I'm afraid, but like skimottaret, says why not go through the French system instead. It's for sure a whole lot cheaper.
|
|
|
|
|
|
You know it makes sense.
|
|
Spyderman, No - not cheaper at all!! Also lots more anatomy and a big written exam. However it's a good system in it's way (they all have strengths and weaknesses). It would probably make more sense for ice_pie, though.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
|
easiski, as regards cost, I referred to the link posted by skimottaret, "For info on the French system http://snowmediazone.com/the_zone/data/500/ENSA_Information1.pdf " which suggests a cost of €4000 (£2920)
To go through the BASI system, excluding lift passes, living expenses, travel etc. so purely course fees.
BASI L2 £ 1,085
BASI ISIA a further £ 1,885
BASI ISTD a further £ 1,310
Making a total of £ 4,280 for ISTD starting from scratch, which is probably more like a total cost of £ 30,000 if you include everything.
I make that £ 1,360 more expensive to go the BASI route, than the ENSA.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Poster: A snowHead
|
|
plus when you get to the BASI ISIA/ISTD course stage, you have to include "other" expenses, such as organised expensive dinners (organised by the trainer), expensive wine ordered by the trainer (for which you pick the tab up), miscellaneous jollys (again, prompted by the trainer)........
|
|
|
|
|
|
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
|
|
|
|
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
|
| veeeight wrote: |
| plus when you get to the BASI ISIA/ISTD course stage, you have to include "other" expenses, such as organised expensive dinners (organised by the trainer), expensive wine ordered by the trainer (for which you pick the tab up), miscellaneous jollys (again, prompted by the trainer)........ |
Cheaper than a re-sit 
|
|
|
|
|
|
You need to Login to know who's really who.
You need to Login to know who's really who.
|
| ice_pie wrote: |
| I've skied with people who were about to take BASI 1 and a some of them seemed um... hobby skiers. |
Maybe they were, maybe they were not up to the standard? The point is not to be a good skier but to be a good BASI skier capable of demonstrating and teaching the BASI common theme.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
|
|
|
|
You'll need to Register first of course.
You'll need to Register first of course.
|
easiski, The change from the original 3-2-1 happened more than 8 years ago. 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Spyderman, But I'm still a Grade 1, National Ski Teacher !! It was bloody hard enough to get - I'm NOT giving it up. (Not that I'm a member any more). ..
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
easiski, What Assc. do you belong to now? Did you get your BASI 1 as it was and then get your Equivilance in France?
|
|
|
|
|
|
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
|
|
Spyderman, I've been into all this before. I belong to SIMS (Syndicat Internationale des Moniteurs du Ski). Much better value than BASI. Insurance is better, recyclage is better, uniforms can be bought, more expensive but you actually get something back. BASI, once you've finished your exams is a load os sh*t. Insurance is rubbish, refreshers are total crap (all grades together) - I've done 2!!! I couldn't even get BASI to send me a receipt for the cost of the 2nd one - that's what finished me off. It's an allowable expense - they're just geared to part time or amateur instructors and do nothing for full time professionals. [/end moan]
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
FAQ
I see that it says (as you say) cost of courses = 4000 euros. However (as with BASI) this is assuming you pass each one first time - most don't. Most of my friends complain bitterly at the cost of it all. Many seem to spend at least 10,000 euros on the courses, so I don't know where the truth lies. It would seem to me that they are fairly comparable on the whole in both cost (enormous) and time > 4 years for sure.
