 Poster: A snowHead
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Just a quick question -
Take a narrow waisted zippy carving ski, say sidecut 120-68-102. Would such a ski still work well in cruddy conditions?
Do fatter skis really carve as well as slimmer skis?
(sorry - this is probably another of my daft questions)
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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erica2004, how deep is the crud?
The wider skis work better than narrow once you're no longer skiing on a firm base.
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Do fatter skis really carve as well as slimmer skis?
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"Carve" and "cruddy" don't go together all that well... 
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erica2004, is there a reason this is in BzK?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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erica2004, I've skied on slalom skis in all sorts, though I guess they're not as easy as fat skis in many off-piste conditions. Conversely, it takes more to get a fat ski on edge, but it can be done.
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erica2004, what's crud?
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Indeed. Is it mashed potato? On or off piste?
A fat ski needs more positive initiation of a turn than a narrow ski to get it to carve. Once it's carving in the turn, it's performance is more dependent on sidecut radius IMHO.
Most skis are pretty good in crud, if you can carve your turns properly. 
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erica2004, If by crud you mean just chopped up fresh snow, then no probs with that (american interpretation of the word). If by crud you mean really awful, heavy, possibly crusty snow then carvers are very hard work (european interpretation of the word 'crud'). Fat skis do not carve as well and do not generally hold as well on ice and harpack, however with a very skilful skier can be made to work.
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easiski,
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Fat skis do not carve as well and do not generally hold as well on ice and harpack, however with a very skilful skier can be made to work.
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Aha, I wondered that, the first time I tried my present skis on ice. Note to self: improve skills!
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easiski, Yes, I meant chopped up snow - when the pistes have ceased to be pisted in the afternoons and it takes more effort to ski through it. I have found in the past that I had to work a lot harder in this sort of snow with my carving skis. It was easier with the fatter skis but they were harder to carve. I just wondered whether it was me or the ski.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Personally, I found the issue with narrow ski in crud (or any un-even snow) is the lack of stable platform for balance. Like wearing heels on cobble stone paths, and RUNNING.  (The sidecuts of "carving skis" probably make matter even worse though)
It's less work to hold the edge of a narrow ski on hardpack or icy surface. But more work to balance on cruddy snow.
A fat ski has more forgiving flatform to balance on even when snow was inconsistant. But it's more work to hold an edge on ice.
But with superior skill, a good skier can balance a narrow ski on breakable crust, or hold an edge on icy surface even with a fat ski.
Or, have something in between, and deal with the compromise.
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I don't really get why this is a question... You'll only have the one set of skis for that days conditions and you have to cope with how the mountain presents itself. You will have to adapt your skill set combined with the skis to deal with it. You might curse this or that but the best/most flexible tool you will have is you...
FWIW, crud is crap snow..not skied out fresh snow, chopped is chopped, but that is all; crud can be an ordeal. Baked, crusty, windblown, refrozen ....
So get yourself on one set of skis..and ski the mountain. If you have really stuffed up, then consider changing them overnight but the next day might differ somewhat...best you adapt your technique and learn a few turns that will work in anything... Not saying they need to be pretty but they need to be functional.
You just cannot legislate for all the differing snow types with a quiver... as you'd be forever changing them and spend all day doing it.... ... At best , you decide on your ski-day and decide on the ski for the day....
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You know it makes sense.
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As I mentioned we had all sorts of conditions this year - as a learner I still don't have all sorts of skills to call on, despite this no-one inc. my instructors suggested that I skied on more than the one set of skis, so I did (ski on the one set) - I expect it was good for me.
Last edited by You know it makes sense. on Sun 4-11-07 14:09; edited 1 time in total
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I thought that a 'one ski quiver' was what everyone was after! Anyway abc, andeasiski, got my drift. 
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Poster: A snowHead
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Megamum, You'll find that with your own skis, you'll ski better - I did. And after you've skied in those for a few years you'll be hankering after another pair because (theoretically) there will be a better ski for your new level and you'll want to go faster and may want a ski that's livelier etc. etc. Plus, it's fun research And even I have noticed a difference in skiing different skis. Personally, I don't think it's helpful or wise to say stick with one ski for ever.
I have found, though, that even when you have good basic skills, the best thing to do to improve your skiing is to become physically fitter and stronger.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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erica2004, You shouldn't find it harder work to ski chopped up snow on carvers. If you do I would suggest that you're not using the ski to do the work but rather trying to make the ski go round the corner (which is not what it's designed for). The ski should move forward all the time and not sideways, and they should just slice through the sort of stuff you're talking about. Indeed, if used properly, carving skis basically make it easier to ski rough snow, but not what we mean by crud! BIG confusion here with that word!!
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