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| David Goldfish wrote: |
| PJSki, I know that because an official from ERBS told me so. As a branch of the Electoral Reform Society you might expect them to express such a view. They're not a basket of bananas. |
David Goldsmith, so no proof, just your word, which doesn't count for much.
Still waiting for you to explain why you didn't report the other view of how the repping service is cost effective. Proper unbiased reporting means you report both sides. You didn't do that in this case. So that's dishonest and biased reporting from you again.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Yes, just my word. In my experience they're more than happy to speak to any member of a client organisation such as the SCGB. Give them a call.
They might feel most comfortable in knowing your name, so introduce yourself as 'Mr Ski'.
Are you going to accept that invitation for a drinky? It has an expiry date.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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David Goldsmith, being in the same solar system as you is annoying enough.
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David Goldsmith, a turnout of about 5-600 out of about 25000 non children members is pretty low, but that may mean that other people are happy with the way things are - or just complacent.
How do you suggest the club forces people to vote? 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| David Goldfish wrote: |
| PJSki, I know that because an official from ERBS told me so....... |
Bearing in mind the 'psychological profiling' incident, I wonder if you are reporting accurately. If the official did indeed tell you that, it seems to me a gross breach of professional conduct.
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Don't call me Shirley Goldfish
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| achilles wrote: |
| David Goldfish wrote: |
| PJSki, I know that because an official from ERBS told me so....... |
Bearing in mind the 'psychological profiling' incident, I wonder if you are reporting accurately. If the official did indeed tell you that, it seems to me a gross breach of professional conduct. |
Don't be so ridiculously pompous.
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stoatsbrother, apathy is itself a vote. In my club, the typical turnnout for an AGM is between 20 and 25% of the membership. If the SCGB got 5-600, I would say that they had all that could reasonably be expected.
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500 is 2% of 25,000.
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David Goldsmith, oops 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| achilles wrote: |
| stoatsbrother, apathy is itself a vote. |
a non vote is not a vote. Turning up to obstain is a vote (although some also argue about that) but just not turning up can never be called a vote.
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| David Goldfish wrote: |
| 500 is 2% of 25,000. |
So you think the rest didn't vote because they aren't happy? You should get out of your bowl more often.
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| stoatsbrother wrote: |
How do you suggest the club forces people to vote? |
You can't force people to vote, except with rules or law. The membership might decline if members were forced to vote. They might leave the country and form the Ski Club of Colombia.
You can encourage people to vote, in all sorts of ways, which is a rather different concept.
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You know it makes sense.
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Bode Swiller, call it what you will. Personally, if I were content with the status quo, I'd probably post the chairman my vote. OTOH, I might well just not bother. I certainly would not see the point in turning up to a meeting just to abstain. I am a firm believer in the democratic right not to vote at all, including for national general elections. I deplore the Australian laws requiring citizens to pitch up, so giving the politicians a false sense of mandate. At least Barrack Obama has a real knowledge of how many Americans felt they really wanted him.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I'm told that it's illegal not to vote in Australia. Is there a member of the Ski Club of Australia who could enlighten us on its constitution?
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Poster: A snowHead
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achilles, in the case of SCGB I'm sure that your non vote is the same as a vote because, when the dosh involved is only a small handfull of fivers, it really doesn't matter to most people what happens. Apathy can and does rule there. But in general, not voting could be for tons of reasons... lack of transport, lack of knowledge/understanding, intimidation etc etc.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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David Goldsmith, if it was illegal not to vote at the ski club AGM, which way do you think most would vote?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Bode Swiller, my non vote in the SCGB is cos I am not a member. Take your point on the rest, though.
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| achilles wrote: |
| stoatsbrother, apathy is itself a vote. In my club, the typical turnnout for an AGM is between 20 and 25% of the membership. If the SCGB got 5-600, I would say that they had all that could reasonably be expected. |
20-25% is exceptionally high for an actual physical turnout, I believe.
Although 2% is also on the low side, particularly if it includes postal votes.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| David Goldfish, if it was illegal not to vote at the ski club AGM, which way do you think most would vote? |
There are various votes, Swiller.
Then you have the intriguing role of the 'Chairman's proxy votes', touched on by achilles.
I watched democracy in action at the last AGM of Marks & Spencer, in the auditorium of the Royal Festival Hall (as a non-shareholder, simply an evacuation specialist). About 2000 shareholders were there, plus all the posted votes etc. Live webcasting of the event to any shareholder who wanted to view proceedings. It was interesting to see Sir Stuart Rose, captured on the video monitors, biting his lip as the votes were cast on matters relating to his controversial joint role as Chairman and Chief Executive.
How would members of the SCGB vote, if they all voted?
I think if they were presented with two (or more) highly-researched and creative options for the future of the Ski Club there could be interesting results.
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David Goldsmith - evacuation specialist, can we have his name changed to that please, admin?
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| David Goldfish wrote: |
| an evacuation specialist |
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Bode Swiller, presumably they got him to start talking when they wanted everyone the leave.
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PJSki, and can we have your name changed back to Tim Brown 
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We had two evacuations in one night at the Roundhouse a couple of years ago. Groove Armada were playing and the place was jumping, until everyone found themselves in the carpark.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| PJSki wrote: |
| Bode Swiller, presumably they got him to start talking when they wanted everyone the leave. |
It's not the greatest job title. I certainly wouldn't be putting it on a business card.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| David Goldfish wrote: |
| We had two evacuations in one night at the Roundhouse a couple of years ago. ...... |
Your sanitation costs must be low. Maybe the Roundhouse can get a reduction on its water rates.
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| David Goldfish wrote: |
| We had two evacuations in one night at the Roundhouse a couple of years ago. Groove Armada were playing and the place was jumping, until everyone found themselves in the carpark. |
This thread is going off-piste (but unguided)
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You know it makes sense.
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Until a couple of weeks ago we had this large inflatable igloo - 'Igloo Cinema' - in the foyer of the RFH for Christmas and New Year. There were special instructions on how to evacuate the igloo, in the event of it deflating.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Bode Swiller, not to unguided I hope. Could be messy.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| I think if they were presented with two (or more) highly-researched and creative options for the future of the Ski Club there could be interesting results |
Actually I suspect they have lives to live and wouldn't give a toss, because they are not as emotionally invested in it as you!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| PJSki, and can we have your name changed back to Tim Brown |
The posts are not quite as scathing as Tim Brown's, though the one about the 'solar system had echoes of the old style.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| [ As I said earlier, I might join to take advantage of the superb repping service in Les Arcs, without that there is no chance of me joining whatsoever. |
The repping service in Les Arcs certainly was superb when I was there.
John Arkell was the rep. I think he moved on this season.
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Latchigo, some of the weeks are covered by our own snowcrazy who knows the place like the back of his hand. He is certainly able to help you get the most out of the domain, even if, like me, you have skied the area quite a lot already.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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According to the SCGB website, these are the Les Arcs reps for this season:
20.12.08 to 10.1.09: Christoper Spice
10.1.09 to 31.1.09: Connel Torley
31.1.09 to 21.2.09: Tony Whiting
21.2.09 to 14.3.09: James Hartill
14.3.09 to 28.3.09: John Featherstone
28.3.09 to 18.4.09: Christopher Spice
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John Arkell is repping across the valley in La Plagne for January 2009
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Boredsurfing, do feel free to submit a motion to next years SCGB AGM suggesting this...
but do you really think it would make any difference?
Last edited by After all it is free  on Fri 23-01-09 15:01; edited 1 time in total
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stoatsbrother, Will you second it for me?
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Boredsurfing, Nope - but I have offered to second his nomination to get back on council in the past - so he could get a democratic assessment of the validity of his views.
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