 Poster: A snowHead
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What's the difference between a "full Service" and a "hot was and edge"?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Chris, a full service is a base grind, hot waz and edge, is just waxing the base and sharpening the edges. It's not difficult to learn how to do it yourself, if you go to www.toko.com you should find some information.
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How often should a ski have its base ground?
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Chris M-J, how long is a pice of string, depends on how you ski, what the underlying conditions are like (lots of stones means redoing the bases more often) if you race you tend to get them done far more often, normaly I'd only have mine re ground every 4 to six weeks of skiing, waxing typically once every week to two weeks with hot wax, more often (sometimes daily) with a liquid wax, edges get tuned every few days in poor conditions once a week in good conditions, just getting rid of burrs etc
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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That web link for Toko should be www.tokowax.com
Anyone caught doing a hot waz on my skis will get a serious ear bashing from me 
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you kinky git.
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Chris M-J, The important differences are a) a grind will wear your skis out faster, and b) shops will charge you more for the priviledge.
The bases of your skis need grinding to make them flat. You can check this yourself with any straight edge/true bar. Ski shops use automated repair machines that fill any holes in your skis, and then re-grind the whole ski base. If you repair the holes yourself, you do not need to grind the ski.
The basic tools to repair and wax skis cost less than £100 - or about 4 services. It's an easy way to save money, and you'll soon find you can do as good job as you'd get from a shop.
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Chris M-J, Get them done in resort at the end of your holiday. Say you want a wax and edge and ask the ski tech if he/she (well, it is possible but I've never met a female one) thinks they need a full service. If he doesn't, (and that's most times), he'll say they don't, as they don't need the business there.
In England, however, ski service shops don't get much business and will be more likely to "recommend" a full service. And as ski, said, your skis will wear out faster.
This is from my, and friends, experience.
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No offence ski but there is no way that if you fill your own gouges you can still get a finish comparable to a good service by a shop to get your skis flat again.
Agreed that you dont always need a full base grind. But if you have to fill any holes, you are better off getting the shop to do it and getting a full service whilst you're at it.
Why? You say yourself that "the bases of your skis need grinding to make them flat." This can only really be done if you grind them. So, to go fill hole with a bunch of p-tex yourself and then expect them to still be flat is pushing the imagination a bit. This is why shops grind the bases after p-tex fills. If you don't, your bases will no longer be flat. Simple as that.
P-texing yourself is more of a temporary measure. If you want to ski tomorrow and the shop can't get them done in time, then I agree, fill them yourself - the skis will then be skiable, but they won't be performing at their best.
The other situation is when you get smaller scratches and dings in the bases. You can feel that they are there, and affeecting your skis performance, but are to shallow to fill - the ptex just gets knocked out. Tkae them to the shop and they will actually 'clear out' the scratch, make it deeper and therefore more receptive to the addition of new ptex, or give the bases a grind and remove the blemishes in this way.
Servicing skis is like servicing your car - if you have all the tools and ability, you can do it yourself to keep them running fine. However, every once in a while you need to get a full MOT from a pro!
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No offence ski but there is no way that if you fill your own gouges you can still get a finish comparable to a good service by a shop to get your skis flat again.
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I don't see why not, I can. It really rather depends on what tools you've got doesn't it?
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ise, likewise, I've never had any problems getting my bases flat after filling the scratches, but it does take the right tools and a bit of practice 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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A lot also depends on the skill/care of the shop, skis don't always come out with flat bases after a service. It's not difficult to fill with p-tex and scrape flat. One thing is for sure ski servicing costs a lot less in a resort than it does in the UK.
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actually, I meant to add it takes me some time  Grinding the bases is destructive of course as well.
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You know it makes sense.
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Thanks again. I will opt for an edge and wax. Not sure I will ever get into doing the job myself as I dont get to ski as often as some of you (maybe 2 x 8 day weeks a year).
Also my ski's, which I found in a tombola stall, are Rossi CObra's, supposed to be good but the ski school guy suggested that I will outgrow them in a year. I will probably not be able to justify to myslef the purchase of new ski's and will end up renting thereafter.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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We needed our skis sorted after thin snow in La Plagne last new Year. The guys in the ski shop were excellent, even telling us to knock on the door at 5am in the morning as we left, and they would be there for us. Despite a couple of gouges, all they needed were waxed and edged, nothing major required.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I am just about to spend a few hours repairing the pre Christmas damage to our skis in preparation for our next outing on 13th Feb.
I am wondering if the black p-tex candles I use ( Toko from Snow and Rock ) are the best product I can get to repair my skis with. What do the repair shops use? Also is p-tex a generic name and are there other/better brands available to Joe Public?
CP
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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CP, depends on how big the gouges are, P-Tex contains a high proportion of wax so it's best fro small repairs. Most service locations have better quality plastics. You're going to La Rosiere so you could ask Richard the Ski Olympic ski-tech in the Roc Noir to service your skis overnight, I think he charges about 15 Euros or go to Twinners opposite Chalet Oliver, very good for all servicing and they'll do it overnight as well.
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Mon 31-01-05 16:11; edited 1 time in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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David@traxvax, Thanks I will probably do that if we get there!! The injury I sustained in Les Arcs before Christmas, sprained medial ligament, flared up yesterday result of refereeing an under 10's football match. I have to see the Doc on Wednesday to get the go ahead or not.
CP
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Hope you're OK.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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David@traxvax, I have the blessing of my GP to go, providing I take it easy and wear an industrial strength knee brace. She was actually very pleased with the progress made in terms of mobility of my leg. Important thing is I am now covered for insurance purposes as I have taken the advice of a medical practioner for an existing injury and this is recorded on my medical records.
So to get back on the subject I am a happy bunny and will be filing, filling and waxing skiis on Saturday.
Cheers
CP
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CP, just in case the cabinet medical is in the Chalets de Rosiere near the Plein Soliel hotel. I hope you don't have to consult M le Medecin but if you do he speaks excellent English. There is a Massuer whose practice is in Le Tyrol apartments. All within hobbling distance of Chalet Oliver 
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