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Spent an enjoyable evening yesterday practising my snowploughs with excellent feedback from Spyderman. Scary how tricky they are to do right! Why do my buttocks ache so much this morning? It must be agony to do a week of skiing like this.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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rob@rar,
Because your new boots are so stiff. 
Where did you go, MK..?
I'd like to try out my babies and the PSB sees out of reach atm
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| JT wrote: |
rob@rar,
Because your new boots are so stiff.
Where did you go, MK..?
I'd like to try out my babies and the PSB sees out of reach atm |
Excellent - I can blame my kit!
Went to Hemel for a couple of hours to go through some BASI Central Theme demos with Spyderman. More aching buttocks next week as well.
Boots were OK, although a couple of hours of snowploughing on plastic is not a great test of them. But I didn't have to rip them off after 15 minutes of agony, so that's a good start. I'm waiting to see whether the boot fitted by Small or by Naked zookeeper will work out the best. Master or apprentice - always a tricky one...
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I was going to suggest standing up and getting a proper machine in to shift the snow 
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rob@rar, They do hurt if you haven't done them for a while. Once you get used to them the pain goes away...remember this will affect your clients too 
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GrahamN,
I have only done that run once and assumed everyone has to get through the tree runs to get to Frachey. And most of the run-outs in Monterosa have the rat-runs through trees, AIRC. Yes, maybe snowplough is wishful thinking...just too much like hard work, whatever method you use, trying to wipe off speed..it is tiring, anyway! And those guides are always in a hurry to make the lifts. There must have been about 4-5 groups and we started off the last...I doubt we left the Col before 12:00..!!! How we caught them up ( or rather where they lost their time ) I will never know as they were very sorted groups of skiers and boarders and ALL Scandis except for Nick Park's group who were the slowest of the lot, I think..
Makes me want to got back soon
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rob@rar, Men always have mor trouble with SP than women - something to do with the shape of the pelvis maybe?? Anyway, generally, unless you have to do miles and miles, or are trying to slow down and stop on too steep a slope, they shouldn't hurt. Your position must be slightly off I think. GrahamN, is certainly spot on with the hips. You must be trying too hard though. 
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easiski, yes, I drop into the backseat unless I'm concentrating hard. I just need to get some practice so it becomes second nature for me - I don't snowplough that often these days so it's all a bit weird trying to do good Central Theme movements.
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rob@rar, It's always the 'low end' manoevres that aspiring instructors find the hardest.
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You know it makes sense.
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easiski, that's absolutely right.
skimottaret, that's sounds like me, especially when I'm not concentrating. I can't quite believe that I spent a good proportion of my time last night looking at my skis to see what they were doing - I haven't done that for about 20 years (other than telemarking at MK ). I thought I'd do some homework in advance of the L1 course, and after last night I knew it was the right thing to do. I've been reading the Alpine Manual and it's only when I've been on skis that it begins to make sense.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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rob@rar, It really tires you out doesnt it! I was mentally and physically knackered after a full day of central theme stuff.
You will be sooo much further along than anyone else just by having the manual let alone working on CT drills. I would spend most time on practicing plough parallels, that seemed to be the hardest to get right for everyone in my group... If you are on snow at MK work on stage 1 and 2 parallels turns.
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skimottaret, it was plough parallels I was mostly working on last night. Some of them were OK but I was very inconsistent, so need to consolidate. What are stage 1 and stage 2 parallels?
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rob@rar, plough parallels are really hard to do right consistently and for me I dont tend to get enough up and down movement. My trainer was keen on a lot of outer leg flex and extend especially for the taller guys in the group.
i hope i remember this right but stage 1's are skidded turns, no pole plants and a longish traverse between turns with edging being introduced at the transition. stage 2's are linked skidded turns with a quick transition and using light pole plants.
The difficult bit i found in the stage 1's was skidding the turns whilst keeping the skis matched at ALL times. The trick is to make sure you are always weighting the outside ski and subtly have the inner ski "matching". I found if I got lazy with pressure control the outside ski wanders too much. demoing skidded turns is harder than it sounds....
Not sure that you will have to differentiate between the different stages at L1. But at L2 you will be asked to run through and be able to demo turns at different stages. In plough turns there are three stages:- stage 1 being rotation only, 2 being rotation with some flex, and, 3 with active flex/extend and pressure on the outside ski.
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rob@rar, Another good reason to get the posture right in Plough turns, it hurts if you don't. 
I think skimottaret, means the Early Phase Parallels we touched on last night, wide stance, mainly rotation, skiddy, no pole plant, then developing the use of more edge.
Also the consistency of the matching of the skis in Plough-Parallel throughout the 3 phases, certainly takes some practice and I think requires the most work in order to give a good consistent performance.
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I always find I have to consciously relax in snowploughs or everything (epsecially - oh bother, ads?, abs? top outer thigh just below hips) totally seizes up. The difference when I can relax is marked. rob@rar, were you perhaps making it too much of a buttock-clenching experience?
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| I just couldn't work out why they did it better than me even though they were less athletic. |
It's not about being athletic, or the right gender, it's about listening to what you're told and doing it right. My husband can snow plough much better than I on cross country skis, even though he's the "wrong" gender and definitely less athletic, with very immobile hips. I guess he's just cracked the thing about getting your weight in the right place. I am not too bad on downhill skis, which are far easier to plough. But I still need to work on it!
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I must not be understanding the term 'snowplough' properly. No joke - what is everyone having problems with? 
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comprex, wedges...
rob@rar, Are you sure you didn't get a little drunk and have one of those turkish prison dreams again?
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comprex, technique I don't use very often, so not doing it well and therefore aching in bits of me that I'd rather didn't ache.
stoatsbrother, oh, not again!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| comprex, technique I don't use very often, so not doing it well and therefore aching in bits of me that I'd rather didn't ache. |
ah. abductors eh? are you fighting to keep your knees from dropping inwards?
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ssh, What goes around, comes around...
comprex, yes, some of the time I'm making a conscious effort to keep my inside knee from dropping in and making a little a-frame.
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You know it makes sense.
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| pam w wrote: |
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| I just couldn't work out why they did it better than me even though they were less athletic. |
It's not about being athletic, or the right gender, it's about listening to what you're told and doing it right. My husband can snow plough much better than I on cross country skis, even though he's the "wrong" gender and definitely less athletic, with very immobile hips. I guess he's just cracked the thing about getting your weight in the right place. I am not too bad on downhill skis, which are far easier to plough. But I still need to work on it! |
Pam w, I was writing partly tongue in cheek, not sure what the emoticon for that is. I agree with you about the weight distribution. In beginners ski school I was too stared to lean forward enough so the edges at the tip-end weren't biting enough.
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eng_ch, wrote about
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| (epsecially - oh bother, ads?, abs? top outer thigh just below hips) totally seizes up. |
that's what gets me too, though it used not to. Might be old age. Relaxation may help - I am relaxed on downhill skis but horribly unrelaxed on cross country skis trying to plough, so maybe that's why it hurts so much. What are those muscles called - abductors?
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Poster: A snowHead
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rob@rar, I've been trying to not post in this thread because of all the evil and, shall we say, inappropriate things going through my mind!
Have you found someone to massage the "aching buttocks"?
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relaxation, or 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| SnowHot wrote: |
| Have you found someone to massage the "aching buttocks"? |
I simply don't understand it, but everyone I've asked has said no.
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comprex, .... a new concept, modernising the Victorian 'Crapper' patented water closet ....
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| SnowHot wrote: |
| Have you found someone to massage the "aching buttocks"? |
I simply don't understand it, but everyone I've asked has said no. |
As long as you're not getting slapped, I guess you're alright!
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| SnowHot wrote: |
| Have you found someone to massage the "aching buttocks"? |
I simply don't understand it, but everyone I've asked has said no. |
That is certainly not part of the service.
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Spyderman,
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rob@rar, perhaps the BASI snowplough is different from the PSIA wedge, but I can't imagine a guy in your shape having that kind of issue with wedge turns. Relax! Remember that you are demoing the turns that a beginner skier is capable of doing! Don't work so hard at it. Besides, relaxing is an important part of skiing. Tight muscles are stiff!
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I think I was just concentrating very hard on getting my plough-parallels correct and was way too tense, hence the aches. Maybe next week I should have the beer before the skiing rather than after it to help me stay relaxed and centred...
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