 Poster: A snowHead
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mr. rpft & I have 3 pairs of skis between us. One pair has rental bindings fitted - he uses them on snow & I use them sometimes on plastic. They are superb skis on both surfaces - and for both of us - and this makes me wonder firstly if I am being a heathen? and secondly, could we improve these skis (for 1 of us) by putting better bindings on them?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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In a nutshell.....No...
If you like the ski and it skis OK and the bindings are safe there really is no point replacing them apart from a weight saving as demo/rental bindings will be heavier than flat/direct mounted as a rule.
Are you being a heathen..........hmmmmm
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I have some skis which I bought ex-demo, with rental bindings, and they are so easy to adjust for different length boots (we often lend equipment to visitors) that I'm very happy with them. Once they're on my feet the weight doesn't bother me.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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pam w, I don't notice the weight either - my salomons seem much heavier.
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kiwi1, essential for kids skis too. oh & I promise that when I buy my nomads I'll have your proper grown up bindings 
It isn't just the weight though is it? otherwise everyone would have them.
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rpft,
1) Demo / rental bindings have a tendency to be a little bit sloppy (boot movement with-in the toe / heel area).
2) The mounting point can be different depending on your boot sole length and the type of binding.
3) If you are worried about high performance stuff think of this: a rental binding can be moved to accommodate a difference in boot lengths of up to 10cm, a normal binding 10mm, a full on race binding just 5mm
4) Rental bindings are much higher on the ski, this may not be a bad thing for carving, but really, it sucks. Raisers suck too.
Ain't that much wrong with using them though, that's just why I wouldn't. If I was a skier.
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| kiwi1 wrote: |
| a great option for increased resale of skis (don't need to redrill). |
pretty much any system ski does that as well.
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| comprex wrote: |
| kiwi1 wrote: |
| a great option for increased resale of skis (don't need to redrill). |
pretty much any system ski does that as well. |
Sorry mate, I was refering to flat/directmounted bindings that need to remounted for a different user/boot size.
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cheers parlor, I have been wondering about this for ages & assumed that point 3 was the biggest problem. Mr. rpfts feet are size 12 & mine are 7 1/2 - & I have been curious for a while about how this difference in position affects our skiing! Def. haven't noticed point 1 though - that would be annoying 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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comprex, kiwi1, my salomons had to be re-drilled for a tiny difference in foot size - really tedious 
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I have rental bindings on all our skis.
Kids feet grow.
I lend to friends.
New boots may have different sole lengths.
Best of all: can move forwards or backwards to find each skis sweet spot.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| rungsp wrote: |
I have rental bindings on all our skis.
Kids feet grow.
I lend to friends.
New boots may have different sole lengths.
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Undisputed, although NEOX, VIST or Tyrolia consumer-grade Railflex could work also and quickly.
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Best of all: can move forwards or backwards to find each skis sweet spot. |
This is the one I have trouble with. Modern skis have absolutely enormous sweet spots. That this should be even noticeable lends me to think one of:
1) the skis are the wrong size Thinking: "Oh, I'll buy this model because it's better in reviews, but I'll buy it shorter because its a little too "advanced". Result: sweet spot as designed but only at very low speeds and on groomers
2) the skis are the wrong size Thinking: "Oh, I'm only 62 kg but I'm really tall so the skis should reach to my chin, never mind that they're designed to be skied -short". Result: smaller sweet spot than designed gets very tiny on hard surface
3) the skis have the wrong flexl Thinking: "Oh, this ski must be better because its an 'advanced' ski" Result: tiny sweet spot at any speed OR sweet spot as designed but only at low speeds therefore skier changes length to one of #1 or #2
4) the skis are of a dated design "Oh, I'm only a beginner so I'll just use a junior race ski from 10 years back" Result: small design sweet spot doesn't get bigger
5) something is amiss at the boot. Result: small sweet spot on any but the -longest- skis that can be skied at that weight
6) The skier is good enough to notice the difference (in which case they should also notice the difference between rentals and consumer grade bindings, even between different consumer grade bindings)
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Poster: A snowHead
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Apologies for typos in above; it took me 5 invalid sesson resubmit form attempts to successfuly post.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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comprex, not sure I agree. rungsp is a mighty fine skier, as you say skis have a massive "sweet spot", but by trying different forward / aft combinations, on different sidecuts and different flex patterns, he can find the right position for his technique on that particular skis. No?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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parlor, undisputed, in which case I re-submit proposition #6, and, possibly 5.
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comprex, ooops missed 6, lack of beautiful bold emphasis. Maybe some truth in 5 but I doubt that very much knowing rungsp. Dammit. Didn't mean it to be that much of a complement!!
It's all a little bit Epic though for me. I know what I like, I like my skis mounted forward but then again I suffer from the distinct opposite of ALL of your points. Why does know one make a a 2m plus fat ski as stiff as a goddamn DH board. /end of rant
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what are consumer grade railflex?
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parlor, no worries, 'tis the ranting season.  I'll crawl back in my hole now...
rpft, Tyrolia Railflex 2, sometime seen in Head or Elan or Fischer badging on their system skis.
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| parlor wrote: |
| Why does know one make a a 2m plus fat ski as stiff as a goddamn DH board. /end of rant |
stop whinging and order flex 3 lotus 120s in a 200 or 138 in a 202 
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Arno, you realise I meant, to say know one??? Errrr.... erm... good point. Except the good lady boss would kill me? Fair enough I think...
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parlor, keep the compliments coming!
"rungsp is a mighty fine skier"
My helmet won't fit...head swelling as I type!
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Salomon 9-12 on most of our skis.
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Oh all right then (I'm bored, 4th July, nothing happening at work):
Started at 19, now 4* years old.
For first 20 years just 1 week a year, now kids are older and as financial circumstances happily allow it we go a lot. 35 ski days last year.
Got a shack in Le Chable (below Verbier).
Given that much skiing I'm nowhere near as good as I should be, but have stepped it up considerably in the last 5 years.
There is nothing much that I can't ski, there is plenty I won't ski (scaredy cat if there are cliffs etc, no hucking!)
On piste you would say "he is very good", in powder you would say "that's wierd, I thought he was very good".
Wannabe ski instructor as a hobby-job in a few years time when I retire, or get chucked out, from current treadmill. With a bit of fine tuning that qualification is within reach I think.
Fischer Big Styx '86 in 185cm were last season's normal skis.
Custom rockered Atomic Powder Plus for the deep days, sometimes Atomic Sugar Daddies.
I'm not as good as my kids, and not as good as parlor .
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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FAQ
- but I've been wanting to ask this question for ages. I ski OK ish but I really don't notice any difference in quality or positioning between the rentals & my posh salomon ones 
mine are tyrolia railflex (I dropped one of the b@st@rds on my foot checking this detail last night - heavy aren't they 
