 Poster: A snowHead
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surely being fat, unfit, or a combination of both is going to hold back learning technique
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Tomba the bomba 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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What is "learning technique"?
In my experience being fat and unfit make you a more rounded person.
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Being of fuller figure has never impaired my learning technique. I can learn with the best of them. It's just the skiing technique that's the problem
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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graeme, what an odd question 
no, I don't beleive it does hold back learning technique - as a fairly chunky person, I can learn many things, I just may be slower in teh field. e.g. I have learned the technique and skills for diving, and have my open water to prove it, but it may take me longer to carry my equipment to the jetty, or make it more difficultto get out, but I absolutely can dive
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graeme, I don't believe that being fat or unfit will necessairily hold back learning, however as a both fat (obese) and unfit person I will say that it holds back the execution of the technique and the lack of stamina means that I can no longer ski all day  For especially unfit people it might hold back the learning but then the same could be probably said for any other sport or exercise they might try
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graeme, might limit endurance and certain kinds of more extreme skiing, and might limit ability and stance in powder etc, but developing reasonable technique may allow fatter and more unfit people to ski for longer than they would have done so otherwise.
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Love it. Remember science Graham.
I'm 100kgs. Weight = speed. Gravity rocks my friend.
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| kiwi1 wrote: |
| ....I'm 100kgs.... |
Lightweight! 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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We have a saying around here: "You gotta be fat to carve"....
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| kiwi1 wrote: |
Love it. Remember science Graham.
I'm 100kgs. Weight = speed. Gravity rocks my friend. |
Er ... nothing to do with gravity. Remember Galileo dropping things off the leaning tower of Pisa?
If it weren't for air resistance, a light person would accelerate as quickly as a heavy person. Mass cancels out of all the other terms in the equation.
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You know it makes sense.
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Hurray - I'm a skiing lightweight - I would never have believed it, but according to the above I am......I AM!!! 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I've only been skiing for 3 years, only starting at 46. The first 2 years I was pretty lean and fit as a regular gym goer, in fact I weighed my least for 20 years. However the last year has been a disaster weight and fitness wise and I certainly found skiing much harder going this year. I would imagine that starting as a complete novice overweight and unfit would certainly impede progress.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| graeme wrote: |
| surely being fat, unfit, or a combination of both is going to hold back learning technique |
Yep.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Does it make you a bad chess player
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I would imagine that starting as a complete novice overweight and unfit would certainly impede progress
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Comment from last years complete novice - last year I weighed more and was certainly less fit than I was this year. This year I found things easier going and I think it was probably as much due to the weight and the fitness as to the fact that I'd learned a little technique the year before
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| laundryman wrote: |
| kiwi1 wrote: |
Love it. Remember science Graham.
I'm 100kgs. Weight = speed. Gravity rocks my friend. |
Er ... nothing to do with gravity. Remember Galileo dropping things off the leaning tower of Pisa?
If it weren't for air resistance, a light person would accelerate as quickly as a heavy person. Mass cancels out of all the other terms in the equation. |
We don't ski 90degree slopes though, it's all about momentum from what I (a fat bloke) see when steaming past skinny skiers poling along the runouts (as I'm still in a tuck).
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fat bloke gut is more aerodynamic than thin bloke. Fact.
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| FenlandSkier wrote: |
| We don't ski 90degree slopes though |
Doesn't make any difference what the slope is. It's all to do with the air resistance term in the equation.
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-steering moves (both inside and outside skis)
-back seat recovery
-retraction turns
-extending feet into trough of moguls
-hopping arrhythmical troughs between moguls
-jump turns
-extension and recovery to absorb speed difference
-one footed balance
-waiststeering
-saturday night fever turns
all come to mind as fitness dependent, any others?
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Though you might argue the 'bigger they come the harder they fall' The fatter frame does have more padding when it falls over - it is just liable to do a stranded whale routine once down 
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Megamum, Trouble with that theory is that if you drop a bag of lard with rocks in it, the lard gets considerably bruised by both fall and rocks.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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having more mass can be helpful in collisions though. When approaching a line of boarders across the piste or a 'crocodile' of ESF infants, think how much a bowling ball weighs compared to the pins 
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what a great thread.
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You know it makes sense.
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| laundryman wrote: |
| kiwi1 wrote: |
Love it. Remember science Graham.
I'm 100kgs. Weight = speed. Gravity rocks my friend. |
Er ... nothing to do with gravity. Remember Galileo dropping things off the leaning tower of Pisa?
If it weren't for air resistance, a light person would accelerate as quickly as a heavy person. Mass cancels out of all the other terms in the equation. |
Ok, I'm thick and fat.
Weight = acceleration. Acceleration rocks (and so does my hockey stop)
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Always cofused me the speed thing, as to why one person will be faster than another in a straight line. I can understand the ski prep bit, the need to have flat skis and fore/aft posture.
What confuses me is why men are faster in a tuck than women? Women are more aerodynamic, smaller shoulders and heads, less frontal area. Breasts that stream airflow over their knees. Smaller frame and generally wedge shaped when in a tuck.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Spyderman, but women are better at doing the dishes and ironing, so it all balances out in the end.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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CEM, I know that intelligent women with a sense of humour will find that funny, others might not.
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Wear The Fox Hat,
Fat people are very good at holding back lift queues. (so I've been told)
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Surely a fat person only holds back your learning technique if they're hanging onto you at the time?
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| Spyderman wrote: |
Always cofused me the speed thing, as to why one person will be faster than another in a straight line. I can understand the ski prep bit, the need to have flat skis and fore/aft posture.
What confuses me is why men are faster in a tuck than women? Women are more aerodynamic, smaller shoulders and heads, less frontal area. Breasts that stream airflow over their knees. Smaller frame and generally wedge shaped when in a tuck. |
Yeah, well it's all aerodynamic until it gets to the hips where it all goes wrong
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| eng_ch wrote: |
| Surely a fat person only holds back your learning technique if they're hanging onto you at the time? |
They might be standing in front of you so you can't see what the instructor is demonstrating.
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As an ex lardy (102kgs now down to 86kgs) you have to weigh up the changes. I feel the cold more but can't now find the bargain ski clothes in the sales to overcome this so I have to ski harder and longer to compensate. Technical ability has remained static, age has risen with time (Galileo ) but the real difference is the reduced impact on the joints (knees in particular)
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| Wear The Fox Hat wrote: |
| women are better |
Couldn't agree more 
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