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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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realistically, how is this going to work? the virtual reality environment that will allow it to be "piloted" is all very well but i can't see it being as accurate as it will need to be. i can also see it malfunctioning alot. given that alot of people get into distress when bad weather suddenly closes in i can't see this copter being a great deal of use. i had heard that russel brice was behind this and given his "involvement" in one of last year's tragedies it strikes me as a way to try and publicly wipe the slate clean. other climbers are often capable of carrying out the rescues themselves: they just choose not to.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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First of all, it'll be delivered with no batteries, and the first time they need to use it they'll be up the road to the newsagents. Then they'll play and play and play with it, and next time they need to use it - the batteries will be dead. It'll never fly.
Last edited by Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see? on Wed 14-02-07 18:57; edited 2 times in total
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Remote aircraft are the future of military and civil aviation.
Reliable civil models are years away, but that is the general thrust of where the industry is headed.
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apparently the only thing preventing massive technical advancements in millitary aviation, is man being unable to fly them
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If something like with Taranis is thought feasible, the helicopter project may not be too unlikely.
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Given that unmanned spy planes can be flown by remote opperators using a less sophisticated control system I can see no reason why a remote control helicopter could not be flown in the same way.
Indeed by making the helicopter remote control you can reduce its weight or increase its payload, you also reduce the risk of injury to anyone other than the injured party, it's not a bad idea but I think their two biggest problems will be recovering the casualties and developing the special rotor blades that they will need for the altitude
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| achilles wrote: |
| If something like with Taranis is thought feasible, the helicopter project may not be too unlikely. |
It's pretty obvious from the 'photos that the Taranis is just a paper 'plane; painting it black doesn't fool anyone. We're not going to win WWIII by being better than everyone else at origami.
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Is the atmosphere at those altitudes thick enough for a 'copter to make enough lift to keep itself in the air?
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| Red Leon wrote: |
| Is the atmosphere at those altitudes thick enough for a 'copter to make enough lift to keep itself in the air? |
Apparently so.
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Seems technically feasible to me. The kevlar loop described in the news article sounds not dissimilar to a rescue strop already used. Usually, this has a crewman descend with it, but it is not essential if the person rescued knows what to do, and has sufficient confidence and physical ability to slip it on. Quite a tall order - but companions could assist - and good publicity might overcome total reliance on instructions through the speaker. Modern sensors and active controls can probably already beat what a pilot can do by physically being present. There is the bijou problem of having confidence in being lifted away in an helicopter with no pilot present, of course ....
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You know it makes sense.
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Unmanned aircraft are the future of the 'battlefield' and billions of $ and £'s is currently being spent on development. 'Bloke in the bar' talks openly about the RAF's future as purely a transport operation 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Kruisler, all they need to do is put a feedback unit into the system, the "pilot" would feel the same thing through his controls that he would flying the real thing
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Kruisler, I can't tell you how technically feasible it would be right now but I will say that I know someone who is working on a similar project and their deadline is not sometime in the next century, the payload that will be being carried won't be alive but the consequences of any crash would or rather could be far more serious.
The technology to carry this sort of thing out already exists, after all you just need to hook up a flight simulator to a bi directional radio control link and Robert may indeed be your mothers brother 
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Kruisler, we all trust machines every day - do most people actually know how their car's ABS works ? But I agree that the flying machine without a 'local' pilot could be an interesting experience.
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Kruisler, lampbus, agreed I'm not sure what their reactions will be, on the other hand if offered a risky chance of life many will take it when compared to almost certain death
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I reckon there's a sound case for this thing in certain scenarios. I think most people are at the limit of their physical capabilities just moving themselves around in the death zone (>8km, or roughly the top vertical km of Everest), and simply aren't able to assist fellow climbers who run into trouble. Being able to radio for this bad boy to pick up somebody who's slipped a few metres and broken a leg could be a genuine lifesaver, and possibly avoid ethical controversies like the David Sharp incident last year.
I think if they can build it, the biggest operating difficulties would be adverse weather and unco-operative evacuees. Having the helicopter blow into the mountainside and slice people up would be rubbish, as would trying to pick up a delerious chap who's trying to swat the 'copter or teach it to sing sea shanties. Assuming the climber still had their wits about them though (and with limited oxygen, it's not a given), I think most would choose the magic carpet ride over waiting for a group of Sherpas and the bumpy ride down. If they were with others the choice would most probably be made for them.
Whether or not the existence of this safety net would encourage yet more inexperienced climbers to charge up Everest is another matter.
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