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i was happy with 17 and 10 ish for ages but have gradually put the back foot down to zero.. i fear i am soon to become a duck!
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+15 front, -5 back for me. After years of experimenting, this is my perfect set-up.
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+15/+12 for me, I was worried that was a bit odd but iff you were happy with +17/+10 it's not so bad.
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Swirly, its better when the going is easy i find.. but on the tough stuff when your doing a lot of stopping and 'braking' i find my knee starts to ache by the end of the day.. also going more duck is easier when you start twatting around riding switch and showing off under chair lifts
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+15 and -5 for me too.
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My back foot is zero and front used to be 12, then 9 now down to 6 (goofy). The smaller the angle on my front foot, the more natural my hip angle feels. It appears to help me stop opening my shoulders as much to initiate the heelside turn which always meant I found long radius turns on my heel edge difficult and after a nice long toeside turn building up speed, when transferring to the heelside, I was losing the carve and scrubbing the turn. I'm not there yet but its getting better. I may tweak the back foot to duck over the season little by little and see how it feels
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+15 and -5 for me as well, I am off to Ste Foy tomorrow for 4 days and am planning to go +15 -15. Since I started with duck last year it was much more natural am improved my riding no end.
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+12 -12, I lady's front bottom around a lot Very Happy
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15 -15, last year I was at 24 -18 but I'm sure that it contributed to my broken knee/leg.


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+17 -13 ducked and sorted
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+12 and 0 for me
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i really should find out !! the other half is in charge of all the 'technical' stuff
i just stand there and say what is 'comfy' Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed
Although he has been trying to get me to turn the back one more forwards (i favour the slightly duck position), i keep rebelling and saying maybe i will try it tomorrow LOL
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debbi, same here.

Did my first trip a few weeks ago and I spent half my time with the pocket tool, changing my bindings and trying to work out whether i was goofy or not. Still not 100% certain Puzzled Puzzled
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not my specialist subject...but, there was an interesting thing at B'ham ski show, there was a company doing stnce set up, the basis of there assessment was a machince that constantly changed and could be adjusted by the operator, as you stood up from a seted position whilst straped into this board on a jig [for want of a better term] your feet naturally rotated to the best postition, the operator can adjust things and you can feel the differences without having to spend a week with a screwdriver playing with the actual binding on your board........ can't find anywhere whop has a machine, but i never find what i want on google

anyone seen it , tried it etc etc
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+15/-6. Tried the ducky thing the other day, didn't get on with it. Probably not good enough yet, I suspect.
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Lizzard,

+15/-6 . . . QUACK rolling eyes
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+18/-6 for me... it was +15/-9 but I moved it a little. Tempted to try 21 on the front but I'm comfortable for now. My stance is quite wide too.
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Stance is so important, however Ab-Duction/Ad-duction has to be measured before and after supporting the foot, before stance angles can be attributed. All the recommendations above are simply useless given that each person is different and has a different gait! rolling eyes
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Regular, +30/+15, maximum stance Shocked. Front foot centreline, rear foot set back one click towards the heel. Nearly wore the screws out finding the settings.

Yes I like high speed carving and no I don't spend much time fakie.

Makes landing jumps "interesting".

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Spent my 'debut' week with a regular stance of +15/0. However, realised through the week that i was actually goofy and preferred a duck stance of +17/-15 and my boarding (and confidence) improved no end.. until I stacked it and got the fear!!!

Still struggling to turn the back of the board around smoothly though. I was either carving it up loads and coming to a standstill or just not getting enough of a turn and going with the board flat on the snow, leading to caught edges and big falls!! Not sure if this was to do with the fact I have a long board (166cm) but I do have a wide foot position (as wide as I could get but feet still in-line with my shoulders) but that was my major weakness.

I could toe edge down a slope wee wee easy but when it came to turn toe to heel the back of the board just tended to slide around (meaning I had a turning circle of an oil tanker!!) and not dig in - maybe I should go with a shorter board?

Any suggestions?....
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Specialman, bring your back binding in a hole and stop leaning back along the board as you transfer to the heelside turn. That's it, you're just not getting your weight forward enough when turning to heels and putting all your efforts into smearing the tail round, it's just confidence and practice. Once you can drop round into heelside carve you can increase your control of the process by consciously raising your rear toes to torque the board and increase the effective edge pressure. This is also the point where you need to learn to transfer your weight to the rear leg to load up the tail to fire you out of the turn. The torque you apply keeps the nose and tail edges of the board engaged in the carve while you move your weight back and load up the tail. The release can be very explosive and if you're not ready for it can fire your board out from under you . . . *rseplant Toofy Grin
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If you get used to turning and do some linked turns on a more gentle slope then this could help a lot too just with your confidence and getting used to the feel of what you should be doing. It does sound a lot like you are putting too much weight on the back of the board, I'm not sure I would recommend moving your back binding in to remedy this though. It is one option and if you do that then after you get used to turning I would widen it back out again. Out of interest how tall are you and how much do you weigh? Also do you know if your board is specifically a powder board that will have the bindings set further back on the board?

Masque, what are rear toes wink
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+21/-12 for me. That is the set up which feels comfy when Im using my flow bindings.
Its fairly easy on the spins and riding switch which this set-up as well I find. Very Happy
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Masque,
the ease with you you wrote that explanation makes me think you were there watching me - it's spooky!! Very Happy

mista,
I spent a full day on the green run in Plagne Centre and that really helped me but even with a bit of pace, i still felt the back fo the board was slipping away. I did have a tendancy to lean back though when turning; sometimes I caught my balance, other times I wasn't so lucky. As you say, confidence is key.

I'm 6' 3" and weigh just 13.5st, so I thought aa 166 would be about right. The board is just a cheap one off ebay, a Merrier Keeno - apparently they are a US firm who specialise in surfboards but have branched out. I don't know if it's a powder board, i doubt it for the money I paid, but there is more of a bias on the front. There's about three inches more board at the front than the back, meaning the binding holes are set further back.
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Specialman, I bet your legs were straight too wink
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Yes, I either looked like I was strapped to the top of one of the byplanes, doing an aerial display, or in the old 'crapping myself' position!! Very Happy
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Specialman, I can't say it often enough, RELAX, Get loose, low and forward. For a start you have less distance to fall and much less chance of having your head whip-lashed into a rock. OK none of us get it right all of the time, I'm old, fat, unfit and crumbly with a right Achilles tendon held together with me Grandmas's knitting so I get it wrong all too often, but I've not had a major stack on a board for five years and I can still show a clean carve line to most and am still faster than 'Spawn O'Masque' (but only just now). . . but all I do in the Park is . . . bleed.

Just relax, get forward and low, then it will come together, you may feel a bit of a dick to start with but you won't look it and as you begin to power past those who can't be bothered to learn the basics of board control . . . who's going to look better and have more fun?
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Changed to +15/-15 this morning, liking it ducky this time!
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-9 +21 ish, quack quack
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Could I be cheeky and kind of hijack this thread? Well, I'm gonna try anyway.... Very Happy

I spent my first 3 days boarding in Soll back in February. At the hire shop, they made me step on a scooter to decide which was to be my front foot..and the test pointed to my left foot.
First day was fine, a lot of traversing (i'm self taught and use advice from that ABC of snowboarding website)...
Second day, quite a few turns and by mid-day my right ankle is in agony... It suddenly hits me that I spend most of my time with my right foot in front. rolling eyes So back to the hire shop and set-up switch..back on the slopes and straight away it's a lot better
Third day, I am starting to link turns and I am very pleased with myself! Very Happy

Finally my question: I will be back on a board for a day or two in Andorra in early april. And I am wondering about the stance/feet angles (now that I know which foot to put in front) I should ask for at the hire shop there. Although I don't know the exact values, my set-up in soll was definately with a positive angle on both feet. But I kind of felt (don't know why..) that I wanted less angle on my rear foot. Considering my level, what stance/angle do you guys recommend? The 0deg on back foot seems very tempting.
I don't know if it's useful or not but for info I am predominently a skier (up to now anyway..) and I am a lot more comfortable on my heel edge.

Thanks in advance to you snowHead for any advice offered
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Just got back fro La Plagne and rented a set of Flows - they are a revelation and are now the piece of kit that I HAVE to get my hands on.

Went with the goofy stance, moved the rear binding back one hole and set it duck 15/15 - first run down the beginner's slope and I was bezzing past all the first timers (and my mates who are more experienced)!! It's definitely worth having a faff around with binding position for a day, even if it means less 'proper' boarding time, as the results were blinding....

... a bit of confidence helps too. Running it through in my head before the holiday meant I was super-confident and all week I was turning properly and not stopping dead through over-turning. I even managed to do the old quick edge-to-edge on the flats without stopping. I now realise just how good snowboarding is when you can do it right. I just can't wait for the next holiday snowHead snowHead

Right, where's that credit card? I can feel some purchases coming... Very Happy Very Happy
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Specialman, Flows are great, i find i can pop my rear foot in to the binding and do it up as i am sliding off. Having the rear foot at -9 ish also naturally helps with slipping your foot in to the binding whereas if you are +9 i assume it would be difficult to twist the foot in to the binding whilst sliding, particularly if you have a wide stance.

Kruisler, take a tool with you and play around with your settings untill you are happy, angles, stance width etc. it worked for me
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On holiday, On the first day I bashed my Cocxyx which left me in bed the next day, then on the third day I had a whippy fall downhill landing on my head so for the next couple of days my confidence was at an all time low. On the final day I decided to treat myself to a lesson. My instructor changed my stance to -15 +15 whichout even seeing me board, which sent me into blind panic ( bonanza theme played in my head). On the first run though, I found I preferred it. No twisting body in turns, just lean back or forward and bend zee knees I found turning a lot less demanding too. I cou.ld never hold a line on heel edge before but now I can so I think I'm Mr converted but I am confused. Is every instructor going to fanny around with my stance like this?
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Nick'n'Kim, It's down to you to fanny around and find what works for your body shape, skeletal structure, muscle strength and flexibility. Also, depending on what you want to do, you can change it for differing conditions . . . powder, piste, park etc.


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rayscoops, Don't know which model I rented (they were only €30 for the week so wasn't complaining) but i fancy the new Amps pr even the NXT with the fancy new ratchet buckles. I had a few problems with my right foot, with the circulation being cut off almost instantly, but found that they take a bit of setting up depending on the cut of your boot.

The guys I was with all had Flows and they insisted on doing their bindings up as the chairlift scooped them up. I didn't feel safe doing that but the nice thing about Flows was that I could have my back foot in the binding without locking it, which did away with the need for a stomp pad and meant I could board off the chairlift looking like i knew what to do (!!) and just lock the rear one as I started my descent!!

It's end of season so they're dead cheap at the moment. Just need to convince the missus that I can have some.... might be flowers and chocolates tonight for her!!!! Very Happy Very Happy Mind you, I want a new board now....


... might be a truck-load of choccies for her!!
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Specialman, I only really bought the bindings because I bought a Flow Infinite 163 board which seemed to suit what I wanted, and having compatible bindings seemed a good idea, but I like the Flows. Initially I had them set too tight, so much so that it was difficult to get my feet in when standing, so the are a bit slacker now and more comfy
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even the NXT with the fancy new ratchet buckles.


Snapped mine in half (not through choice).
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speed8, don't like the sound of that!! The ones we rented were a bit battered (I had a missing pad from the back plate on one binding) but that's rental bindings for you. Did you snap the actual buckle/ratchet?
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Specialman, Snapped the highback on one of them (the new NXT AT bindings). Don't want to put up too many details at the moment as I don't know why it happened. Thankfully it was while clipping in at the start of the day and not off-piste somewhere. They've been sent off to be looked at. Suffice to say I'd used Flows for the last six years so I'm not one to knock them but I am surprised by what happened.
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A freak happening me thinks - won't put me off buying a set though.
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