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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Dick Turpin at least had the decency to wear a mask.
At least I did'nt vote for this Government.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Spyderman, I'm not so sure very many folk will vote for them next time round! thieving feckers...
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Had an email from Ryanair to say that as I booked before the tax increase was announced, they will automatically deduct the tax from the same card that I booked with. 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Flying with BA today and they're paying the tax for me. It will cost BA a fair bit on mine and Jane's behalf as between us we had six shorthaul flights and two long haul flights booked prior to the increase in tax.
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Ray Zorro, yeah, so did i. nothing we can do about it if we want to go on the holiday!!! I sent them a very strongly worded letter - not that it'll do any good.
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shoogly, who should I vote for, then (given that the Scots Nats won't be on the list in SW London, SFAIK)? They are one as bad as the other, if not worse.
bmi will apparently take £20 off me at some stage. I don't really see what the problem is; no-one much enjoys paying tax, but I fail to see the enormous injustice of this one although TOs have a legit complaint that they can't get the money from their customers.
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richmond, the injustice is that we bought our tickets in July at an agreed price, the new tax wasn't announced until December. I can understand them applying it to any flights booked after the announcement was made and i could understand it even more if i could be certain than the government would contribute every single penny of the £1billion that they'll gain from this new tax towards combating global warming/climate change. But they won't. I'd say we're already taxed enough. imo
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| shoogly wrote: |
| richmond, the injustice is that we bought our tickets in July at an agreed price, the new tax wasn't announced until December. I can understand them applying it to any flights booked after the announcement was made and i could understand it even more if i could be certain than the government would contribute every single penny of the £1billion that they'll gain from this new tax towards combating global warming/climate change. But they won't. I'd say we're already taxed enough. imo |
Exactly! We booked/paid with Easyjet mid-Summer for March flights, but the last of three emails asking/demanding payment, made it quite clear that if we didn't pay we didn't fly! I would feel vey differently if , as you say, we knew the tax was being used for what we are told it is being charged for - I have NO confidence at all in that
I saw on BBC news last night that since this government came into power, we are all paying an average of £1000 a year in tax more than we were before.
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I booked my flights back in July (£150 return for 4 flying Manchester to Geneva in March) and got an E-mail from BMI advising no pay, no fly.
I never voted Labour in so shouldn't have to pay all Gordon Brown's taxes !
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Britain is a high-tax, low-wage economy.
Time to vote the Tories in.
They will slash taxes and trim back the bloated govt.
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"I never voted Labour in so shouldn't have to pay all Gordon Brown's taxes !"
that's the price of living in a democracy! 
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| shoogly wrote: |
| richmond, the injustice is that we bought our tickets in July at an agreed price, the new tax wasn't announced until December. I can understand them applying it to any flights booked after the announcement was made and i could understand it even more if i could be certain than the government would contribute every single penny of the £1billion that they'll gain from this new tax towards combating global warming/climate change. But they won't. I'd say we're already taxed enough. imo |
I quite agree about the use to which the tax will be put; it should be used to fund efficient transport systems and I'm sure that it won't be.
Given that you (and I) hadn't travelled when the tax was hiked, I'm not sure that it's an injustice. The tax is due when you travel, not when you buy the ticket, and I'd be astonished if the tax which I paid in May or whenever it was for my Feb flights has been given to the treasury yet (I'm sure that it's been 'resting' in bmi's high interest savings account). It's a bit like buying wine en primeur and paying the duty to your wine merchant when you buy the wine. If the tax goes up before delivery, you'll have to pay the new amount on delivery, even if you'd paid the duty to your wine merchant when you bought the wine (which is presumably one reason why the duty is not normally paid by the customer until the stuff is delivered).
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You know it makes sense.
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| Whitegold wrote: |
Britain is a high-tax, low-wage economy.
Time to vote the Tories in.
They will slash taxes and trim back the bloated govt. |
Yes, the Tories were great last time. Their use of oil revenue to fund payment of unemployment benefit to millions was an economic triumph. They have specifically said that they will not slash taxes (unsurprisingly, since they never have slashed taxes). The notion that either main party, or any other party, would be any better than the other for most people is fanciful. They are all incompetent, self seeking tossers.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Anniepen wrote: |
| I saw on BBC news last night that since this government came into power, we are all paying an average of £1000 a year in tax more than we were before. |
And for one am glad that I've had in excess of a GBP4000 pay increase over the last 10 years or so!
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Poster: A snowHead
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Ray Zorro, At least you haven't had to give your time too. I had the Ryanair e-mail this morning saying Iwould have to phone them to pay as my original card number had expired. I am sat here with the phone glued to my ear and have had to listen to the same repeated message that they will be with me shortly, but that has been an hour so far. I have given up trying to do the housework one handed so have decided to peruse Snowheads instead. Just hope i'm not being charged for hanging on. Have hung on for so long I feel I can't give up now.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| richmond wrote: |
| Whitegold wrote: |
Britain is a high-tax, low-wage economy.
Time to vote the Tories in.
They will slash taxes and trim back the bloated govt. |
Yes, the Tories were great last time. Their use of oil revenue to fund payment of unemployment benefit to millions was an economic triumph. They have specifically said that they will not slash taxes (unsurprisingly, since they never have slashed taxes). The notion that either main party, or any other party, would be any better than the other for most people is fanciful. They are all incompetent, self seeking tossers. |
Unemployment is just as high under Labour. Only, they call it sickness benefit. Millions of people in Britain are on the dole today, just under a different name.
The Tories are only saying they will not cut taxes, so that they can save their best ideas for the Election in 2008 / 2009.
The political world is clear. It has been this way for decades. The total tax-burden rises under Labour. It falls under the Tories. It is a cyclical game of ups and downs. Back and forth.
Trimming taxes is a cert under the Tories. Time to vote them back in at the next Election.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Dont worry there be back back taxing you next on houses you bought 10-20 yrs ago as there not envriomently up to date !
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| Whitegold wrote: |
| richmond wrote: |
| Whitegold wrote: |
Britain is a high-tax, low-wage economy.
Time to vote the Tories in.
They will slash taxes and trim back the bloated govt. |
Yes, the Tories were great last time. Their use of oil revenue to fund payment of unemployment benefit to millions was an economic triumph. They have specifically said that they will not slash taxes (unsurprisingly, since they never have slashed taxes). The notion that either main party, or any other party, would be any better than the other for most people is fanciful. They are all incompetent, self seeking tossers. |
Unemployment is just as high under Labour. Only, they call it sickness benefit. Millions of people in Britain are on the dole today, just under a different name. |
The Tories introduced the idea of putting long term unemployed on sickness benefit; there was a massive increase during the 80s. Labour said that they'd do something about it but I'm not aware that they have.
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| The Tories are only saying they will not cut taxes, so that they can save their best ideas for the Election in 2008 / 2009. |
Yes. Of course. Absolutely.
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| The political world is clear. It has been this way for decades. The total tax-burden rises under Labour. It falls under the Tories. It is a cyclical game of ups and downs. Back and forth. |
The tax burden rises under all governments. Mrs T shifted taxation from earnings to spending and the present lot continue this. Whether it's a good thing or not I don't know (it's a good thing for me), but it certainly shifts the tax burden more onto poorer people.
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| Trimming taxes is a cert under the Tories. Time to vote them back in at the next Election. |
You're having a laugh, aren't you? Sorry to be slow.
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brian
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As of June 06, the total UK tax burden (%age of GDP) was 37.48%.
The historical peak in the UK was 1984 when it reached 38.8% under Thatcher/Howe.
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| brian wrote: |
As of June 06, the total UK tax burden (%age of GDP) was 37.48%.
The historical peak in the UK was 1984 when it reached 38.8% under Thatcher/Howe. |
The tax burden in 2006 was at its highest peak for more than 3 decades.
The forecast for 2007 indicates it will go even higher 
short link
It is time to ditch the tax-and-spend Labour losers.
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brian
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... and replace them with the tax and spend Tory tossers 
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| richmond wrote: |
| I don't really see what the problem is; no-one much enjoys paying tax, but I fail to see the enormous injustice of this one |
The specific point in the article that stanton linked to was that it's not been approved by parliament.
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laundryman, parliament doesn't seem to need to approve anything these days (and didn't in the past, for that matter). Royal perogative and all that. Still, if it is illegal, 'someone' should challenge it, presumably an airline. Let's hope it is successfully challenged, always good to see a government being put in its place.
Interesting to see it referred to as a 'stealth tax'; apart from this thread, it's been in the papers a good deal, it was on the radio news this morning, on the TV news the other day, on money Box at least twice in recent weeks and generally seems to be a topic of considerable media interset. There can be few people not aware of it, particularly those being bitten for a fiver in the check in queue.
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richmond, I think that the prerogative to raise taxes was something that parliamentarians jealously guarded in the past, but MPs (on all sides) have gradually become more supine (and career minded).
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Indeede, although whether this tax ws imposed legally or not ought to be straightforward to determeine, one would think.
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Is this the first time the word "legally" and the phrase "straightforward to determeine" (with or without the extra 'e') have been used in the same sentence? I'm assuming the Law Society and Bar hope this is not a commonly held view .
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GrahamN, 'determeine' is the Old French spelling and is, as I'm sure you you know, the correct spelling in parliamentary contexts (as are 'indeede' and 'ws').
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You know it makes sense.
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richmond, GrahamN, it would be nice to think it was straightforward to determine. I suspect that since our constitution is unwritten, it's no so easy. It wouldn't surprise me if the government had ridden roughshod over convention. If they had, it might not have been deliberate, but you'd hope the civil service would try to restrain them. I'd certainly like to think that my MP would have a chance to vote before any tax increase.
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Poster: A snowHead
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On who taxes and spends the most, these (crude) figures seem to indicate that tax and public debt were high in the mid-1970s (Heath/Wilson/Callaghan era) that by the mid-1980s, Thatcher had got the tax burden down but not paid off any debt, by the mid-1990s (end of the Tory era) the tax burden hadn't been reduced much further but significant debt had been paid off and that now the tax burden and public debt have increased again somewhat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_Kingdom
(the relevant figures are towards the end of the article)
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Original data are from here:
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Worksheet C2 is the tax-GDP ratio and public sector net debt is on A9. A9 shows debt at a minimum in 1990-91 but rising until 1996-7 almost back to mid-80s level, it has since gone down and then back up a bit.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Hoppo, wow that's an impressive dataset.
The tax/gdp ratio graph shows a minimum in 93/4, since when it's grown by about 14%.
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| brian wrote: |
| ... and replace them with the tax and spend Tory tossers |
Does anyone actually think the Tories will stop this tax ?
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i say make every 'green' party voter pick up the bill
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| Smokin Joe wrote: |
| Does anyone actually think the Tories will stop this tax ? |
Not me.
Nigel Lawson used to abolish a tax every budget apparently.
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i remeber when they put the top rate down to 40 per cent... oh how the lefties squealed.. the country will be skint in a week.. or er tax revenues increased massivly i forget which..
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the global economic enviroment has never been as favourable as it has been for the last ten years..
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CANV CANVINGTON, point us at the data then 
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