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Well i mean i can go straight and stop backwards fine, its just the turning i have a problem with, seeing as i dont have twin tips... its a bit hard to carve  I can slightly turn if i lean my balance but it doesnt work too well..
Is there a way? Basically i want to film my friends when im in Stubai and was thinking, why not make it interesting and go backwards?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Timmaah wrote: |
Well i mean i can go straight and stop backwards fine, its just the turning i have a problem with, seeing as i dont have twin tips... its a bit hard to carve I can slightly turn if i lean my balance but it doesnt work too well..
Is there a way?
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Stand taller on the skis and -tip- them over.
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Basically i want to film my friends when im in Stubai and was thinking, why not make it interesting and go backwards? |
The short answer is: Michael Kennedy
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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The most important thing about skiing backwards is to be looking over your shoulder, which of couse means you can't see what you're filming. I often follow my mates and film from behind but if you want a frontal shot you're gonna have to ski/board ahead and get perched in a good spot. Makes for a much steadier shot as well . 
Edit: I don't go with the stand taller advice if it's meant as stand taller than when skiing normally.
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Timmaah, on our camcorder you can swivel the viewfinder round, so it looks like you're filming behind you whilst skiing backwards 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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cathy, cheat! 
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skisimon, yeah - but it works! 
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| skidonald wrote: |
Edit: I don't go with the stand taller advice if it's meant as stand taller than when skiing normally. |
It's meant as 'stand taller than you're trying to stand whilst attempting backwards right now': more pressure is needed at the tails of the skis, not the tips.
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Well skiing backwards and gaining momentum isnt the problem, its more of the turning.. i guess i could do snow plough turns but thats... slow I'll try it out on a blue piste and if i fail i will scrap the idea.
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comprex, is that the tails of the skis going forwards that are now going backwards, or the tails that were tips going backwards but are now tips going forwards 
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lampbus, just like port and starboard are always relative to the ship, tip and tail are always relative to the ski, not the direction of motion.  Forward turning start-pressure tips. Backwards turning start - pressure tails.
Timmaah doesn't tell us what skis he's doing this on, some of the stiffer&slimmer-tailed skis might be a bit more difficult.
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Head c220 si skies.
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114/68/98 no surprise that 98 tail needs more work to start it than the 114 tip. By turning it around, it's effectively a 1998 ski.
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Which means... it's going to be a hell of a **** to do it effectively?
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You know it makes sense.
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Just quite different from frontwards, and demanding somewhat deliberate motions to learn quickly because they may be counterintuitive.
I had a lot easier time learning because I was on slalom skis with fat tails.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Timmaah, no need to ski backwards. There is an easier solution. Ski forwards but film back through your legs. It will be upside down but today's software can overcome that.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I'm intrigued by this thread - have I understood correctly - it is possible to buy skis which have two curved tips one at each end permiting skiers to effectively ski backwards?
Filming between the legs seems somewhat fraught with danger - couldn't the camera be held under one arm facing backwards with the viewfinder suitably rotated and just visible to view by looking down on it.
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chris, hold the camera upside down then...consultancy at its finest 
Megamum, yep and they're completely symmetric as well
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Megamum,
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Filming between the legs seems somewhat fraught with danger |
.............. No it's not
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pistemeister, hmm I think a detect a modicum of unnecessary skidding there - could you try carving those turns a touch more?
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I'm always a bit worried that bindings are clearly not designed to release when going backwards. And not that much reassured by skiing only slowly means that there's no real risk -- lots of people manage to hurt themselves falling over when standing still.
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Yoda, I spend most of my time on the slopes with the tips of my skis on the tails of the skis of the skier in front, if they don't carve,I don't carve 
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See... i dont think i will film between the legs after i saw that video I guess i will have to ski side-by-side really as backwards seems too much of a hassle. As for falling down and hurting yourself, no pain no game. I've had wipeouts going pretty fast where my legs flew everywhere and i was fine, i always find that the people who hurt themselves when they fall over from a stationary position are just old and brittle.
So basically if i do want to try this out, most of weight to the end of my skis (not the front which are curved) and lean heavily in the direction i want to turn...
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When I film from in front I ski forwards, arm out down and to the side with the camera facing backwards, screen pointing out at me (so I can see it) and try not to twist too much.
If you've got a good 'feel' for where the camera points then you don't need to watch it religiously anyway.
Skiing side on gives some good results if you can keep the camera down relatively low.
Wouldn't recommend through the legs tbh, but thats only IMO.
Or - get a helmet mount camera, and wing mirror, make your own rear view camera 
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Well filming was done, its definately very shakey with a lot pointing towards the ground (three different people filmed), i guess helment mount camera is the way to go. As for skiing backwards, it sure is hard to go fast backwards, i can turn fairly well and a lot easier using my friends twin tip skis.
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Timmaah, in this month's (jan, issue 66) fall-line skiing, there is a free dvd & a lot of the skiers are filmed skiing backwards - fast too.
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need to try and get me a hold of that... but how not in britain :/
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Timmaah, drop fellow falliner a line, it's his mag so should be able to help out.
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You know it makes sense.
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| lupinp2003 wrote: |
| I'm always a bit worried that bindings are clearly not designed to release when going backwards. And not that much reassured by skiing only slowly means that there's no real risk -- lots of people manage to hurt themselves falling over when standing still. |
However knees are clearly designed to bend backwards, making such a release mechanism superfluous.
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Timmaah, if he can't, let me know - I have a friend who doesn't ever watch the dvds. The clips are good though short, of about 7 or 8 skiers, some of them are amazing (in my opinion) extremely balanced & relaxed. The particulary long backwards clip is no. 7, Richard Permin who skies fast backward - it shows how he initiates it too, he also takes off & lands backwards. The Andreas Hatveit clip is good (last clip) & there is a nutter who skies down from a helicopter. writing this in a rush  pm me if you can't get it from falliner.
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