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Engelberg (Tragedy)

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6 year old girl dies after falling down a 300metre down a Couloir. There isa link with pictures of couloir. "Tod auf dem Titlis"

http://www.20min.ch/news/luzern/story/19674413

http://www.espace.ch/artikel_309076.html
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According to the first report, the group of 6 & 7 year olds were with a male ski instrutor (his Daughter was also in the group but was not injured) Shocked


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3 choppers involved in rescue that I saw plus serious amounts of rope. Didn't realise it was a kid's group. Very sad
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Indeed it is very sad.

It begs the question, how did they let a young six year old anywhere near a 300 metre couloir ?
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Latchigo wrote:
Indeed it is very sad.

It begs the question, how did they let a young six year old anywhere near a 300 metre couloir ?


Not sure it is an open and shut case - my German is appalling but I get the gist from babelfish, they may have been skiing not very far off the marked piste but it was certainly very slick at the time, the pistes had certainly been very slick in the morning. Certainly the pistes were typical euro chaos - too few runs open with too many skiers so the instructor might have thought he was acting in the kids best interests by taking them a little further over from the marker. I think the 300m may be a reference to the length of the slide not the drop or more likely the length o fthe gully once you were in it - any German speakers care to elaborate.
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fatbob, I know many of the European youngsters are accomplished skiers at an early age, but a six year old has barely started school.

It is enough to make you weep. The instructors do have a duty of care to their tiny charges. I would be even more alarmed if they were going off piste. I get nervous having a small child next to me on a chair lift.

However, I will reserve judgement until I hear the full story.
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Latchigo, they were a group from the Engelberg ski club so probably better than average. Why they were off piste is of course the big question.
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Couple of areas of Les Arcs where there are some pretty nasty drops to the edge of the piste - its not hard to imagine this happening. I always breath a sigh of relief when my kids come back ok with the instructor. Terribly sad story but there is the age old debate, do you wrap your kids in cotton wall or let them go and take risks?
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fatbob wrote:
Latchigo wrote:
Indeed it is very sad.

It begs the question, how did they let a young six year old anywhere near a 300 metre couloir ?


Not sure it is an open and shut case - my German is appalling but I get the gist from babelfish, they may have been skiing not very far off the marked piste but it was certainly very slick at the time, the pistes had certainly been very slick in the morning. Certainly the pistes were typical euro chaos - too few runs open with too many skiers so the instructor might have thought he was acting in the kids best interests by taking them a little further over from the marker. I think the 300m may be a reference to the length of the slide not the drop or more likely the length o fthe gully once you were in it - any German speakers care to elaborate.


the first article does say she fell 300m deep although it doesn't look far from the piste. The second link says it was a 300m long couloir (which makes more sense to me). The second article says the child who died slipped on the ice and was injured by the rocks as she fell down the couloir losing ski's, poles and helmet. Other children fell but had more luck than the poor little 'un.

The Ski Club President commented in the first article saying that they really only train on the piste and couldn't understand why they were there.

I've seen ski clubs taking older kids offpiste in better conditions but don't understand this. It could be that one child skied off piste and the ski instructor tried to keep them together. My thoughts go out to her family.


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JT when he is back online may be in a better position to comment as he skied the slope I think in question on the day and saw some more detail of the rescue attempt. It certainly wasn't extreme backcountry offpiste and with no avy risk from above I imagine it would be a regular diversion with the ski club in better conditions. Plenty of people were skiing the slope (If it is the one I think) not because it was great or really technical but because it wasn't the overcrowded piste.

I had assumed at the time that the accident was a gung-ho guy who'd decided he might find something skiable down the bottom of the gully. I wouldn't want to judge the instructor on the basis of an extract from the Swiss equivalent of Metro, I'm sure he has enough to deal with at the moment
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Real shame

RIP
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Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad How awful.
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fatbob wrote:
I had assumed at the time that the accident was a gung-ho guy who'd decided he might find something skiable down the bottom of the gully. I wouldn't want to judge the instructor on the basis of an extract from the Swiss equivalent of Metro, I'm sure he has enough to deal with at the moment


The ski instructor is quoted as being in shock at the moment. It's a dam shame how skiing can take such a young life and change so many others.
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