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This seems to be the very forum for this question - Having English, a little French, even less German and a Swiss friend with a strong accent I am now confused - is it pronounced Peeste (as in green vegetable peas) or pist as in Fist?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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It's pronounced 'trail' as in tomato.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Megamum, rhymes with "yeast". 
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laundryman, thanks!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Megamum, I don't do Glorious Days of Colour for nothing! 
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Ah well, y'see, it depends in what language. English tends to pronounce it as in the French rhyiming with yeast, but German shortens the i to rhyme with fist
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There's a thought laundryman, whenever you get a tricky one stick it in as the first line and see what gets posted as a rhyme to it. Brilliant thinking 
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As in p.......... as a newt!!
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Interestingly, it's pronounced 'pronunciation', but then it's spelt 'pronunciation', so it's not that suprising really.
I pronounce 'piste' more or less to rhyme with 'beast', although no doubt one of our good French speakers will give us a more subtle pronunciation guide (I suspect that the 'i' is shorter than the 'ea' in 'beast' but longer than the 'i' in pissed').
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while we're on the subject, how might one promounce Verbier?
Ver bee ay ?
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element, that's how I'd say it.
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Thanks FenlandSkier, my rudimentary knowledge of Switzerland includes that they speak a couple of different languages and I didn't know if it was pronounced as the French might, or the Germans would etc.
That saves me having to mumble it in esteemed company
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Right now it's actually pronounced "Mountain Bike Trail"
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You know it makes sense.
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Ok, how about Livigno?
I it's "live een yo" - am i even half correct?!?!?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| stevec wrote: |
Ok, how about Livigno?
I it's "live een yo" - am i even half correct?!?!? |
Depends if that's 'live' as in 'Liverpool' or 'live' as in 'Liver Bird'
I'd say the former.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| element wrote: |
while we're on the subject, how might one promounce Verbier?
Ver bee ay ? |
| FenlandSkier wrote: |
| element, that's how I'd say it. |
I've always thought it was 'Vair bee ay'
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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eng_ch, That explains why my mate Eva (who's Swiss pronounces it to me to rhyme with fist). Mind you she's a whizz with languages - chat's to me in English (that's good enough for her to 'think' in it too), Speaks German, Swiss German, some of the Swiss German dialects, tonnes more French than I do, Enough Italian to get by and fluent Hungarian - Next time I get her on the Phone I'll ask about Verbier for youelement,
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Megamum,
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| is it pronounced Peeste (as in green vegetable peas) or pist as in Fist? |
Neither. it's pronounced "i t" with the "i" and the "t" both being short sharp sounds.
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Megamum, NickB is (imo) right about the pronunciation of Verbier.
petemillis, you can go off some people 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Next time your on a Swiss or German Flight ask or listen to the Pilot how he says Runway in Swiss German or German
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How about Val Thorens? Torrawnce??
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| pam w wrote: |
| How about Val Thorens? Torrawnce?? |
Vee Tee
I wouldn't pronounce the 's' - Val Torron or Val Torren
Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Thu 18-01-07 16:48; edited 1 time in total
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pam w, don't think the 's' on the end should be pronounced so torrawn, with a proper back of the mouth french 'r' and nasal 'n'.
Think element is right about Verbier, if it was "vair" at the start it would be Vérbier, no ?
Although the accents of the locals in Valais can make French sound fairly strange at times, so it might be a local thing ?
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| brian wrote: |
| Think element is right about Verbier, if it was "vair" at the start it would be Vérbier, no ? |
Wouldn't that make it 'Vayr bee ay'? I'm saying it like 'la mer'
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brian, no I don't think it would have an accent because the r belongs to the first syllable, not the start of the second. Moreover ver and vé are 2 different sounds 
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NickB, perzackerly
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| brian wrote: |
| Although the accents of the locals in Valais can make French sound fairly strange at times, so it might be a local thing ? |
It's probably the equivalent of a Brizzle twang
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| eng_ch wrote: |
| It's probably the equivalent of a Brizzle twang |
It's 'Gert Lush' it is.
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| NickB wrote: |
| brian wrote: |
| Think element is right about Verbier, if it was "vair" at the start it would be Vérbier, no ? |
Wouldn't that make it 'Vayr bee ay'? I'm saying it like 'la mer' |
I'm confused now, Shirley "vair" and "vayr" are the same ?  As in air, lair, pair, hair, chair ?
I'm saying it like "la mer*" as well, so at least that's alright
* to rhyme with per, Cher, Herr ...
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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The acute accent over the 'e' makes it sound as in 'day' or 'hay'
As in 'Je suis désolée'
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NickB, I know but Verbier doesn't have one !
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brian, and doesn't need one for the "air" sound. AN accent would change the whole pronunciation (and in fact I don't think it would be pronounceable anyway)
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| pam w wrote: |
| How about Val Thorens? Torrawnce?? |
Vee Tee
I wouldn't pronounce the 's' - Val Torron or Val Torren |
I could be wrong but I think the locals do pronounce the s. If it were near Paris of course they wouldn't, but down in the south and south east they still tend to pronounce final consonants (as they did everywhere in Mediaeval times - in fact all letters were pronounced in French then).
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eng_ch, disagree. Apart from the end of a word (as in numerous verb infinitives), "er" is pronounced as in "mer", "herbe", "vert", etc. Isn't it ? (unless it's got an acute).
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brian, where's the disagreement? Maybe it's just that I'm reading what element wrote as and English "ver" as in "verb" or "over" and it ain't As I said, you don't need an acute accent to achieve the "air" sound which your post further up suggest it did
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eng_ch, dunno. I'm thinking it's most likely we've got the same French pronounciation but different English ones. Whereabouts in eng are you from and how do they pronounce "air" ?
A Scots "air" would definitely require an acute !
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brian, home counties I'm afraid. Was thinking much the same myself
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NickB wrote:
pam w wrote:
How about Val Thorens? Torrawnce??
Vee Tee
I wouldn't pronounce the 's' - Val Torron or Val Torren
I could be wrong but I think the locals do pronounce the s. If it were near Paris of course they wouldn't, but down in the south and south east they still tend to pronounce final consonants (as they did everywhere in Mediaeval times - in fact all letters were pronounced in French then).
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Oh yes, they definitely pronounce the "s". That's why I asked, because I know it's not pronounced the obvious way (which would be to rhyme with Laurent) but wasn't quite sure about how it WAS pronounced.
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