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Skiing Myth #5 - A Frames

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In recent years, it's been fashionable to talk and focus on "parallel shins".

In my view, this was mainly to acomplish one thing - "Simultaneous Edge Change".

More recently, the focus has shifted from parallel shins, to "are the skis doing the right thing on the snow", because, someone could have an A-frame and yet both skis are doing good things on the snow. Purely down to:

1. Individual bio-mechanics (eg; male vs. female)
2. Alignment
3. Outside knee being used to fine tune, A-Frames are often mistaken for healthy knee angulation
4. Tactics (Bode etc.)

To summarise, as long as a near simultaneous edge change is happening, and both skis are being worked effectively, parallel shins should not be the focus. It is, however, still a target worth shooting for, but bear in mind that other factors such as those above, could influence achieving that goal.

Just make sure those edge changes are (near) simultaneous though, before dismissing your A-Frame!


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Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Thu 17-05-07 19:40; edited 1 time in total
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veeeight, Apparently the division between men and women being either bandy or knock kneed is 50-50. Hard to believe, but statistically correct I'm told by those who know! I don't think it's a recent thing; when I was a teenager (and yes, that was a long time ago), my DHO race trainers (Bunny Field, Kenny Dixon et al) were yelling at me "not to ski like a girl" which I took to mean the same thing!

The problem is that a lot of A frames exist because the skier is rotating the outside hip throuch the turn and consequently blocking the ability of the hips to stay facing slightly outside (see you diagram) the turn.

Anyway, I glad you think it's OK, since I saw a photo of me displaying a small A frame last year. Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed
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The problem is that a lot of A frames exist because the skier is rotating the outside hip throuch the turn and consequently blocking the ability of the hips to stay facing slightly outside (see you diagram) the turn.


Too true!

Which is why really, people need a trained eye (eg; instructor or coach) to look at them skiing, in order to determine if the A Frame is muscle memory, bad technique, or some other factor of which they have very little control over!

The point of the post really was to say "hey - don't just yell out A-Frame to every skier you see - there could be other reasons behind it!!".

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veeeight, I have a middle aged lady client who, due to the shape of her legs, skis in a permanent snowplough. Well a massive A frame anyway. Her tibias both just stick out from her knees. Her femurs are fairly straight. She gets all stressed because peeps keep telling her she's ploughing, but she can't actually help it. It's too extreme at her age to do any correctiion, so she just has to live with it. I'm trying to persuade her to get footbeds made though - but she can't really afford it. Sad
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easiski, but, but, but, why not do an underbinding cant just to let her get the skis flat? Not correction, adaptation?
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comprex, Because she has no money to spend on things like that, doesn't have her own skis, and only gets to ski thanks to her twin sister inviting her to come with! She's not a serious skier at all, and it doesn't really matter as far as her abilty to ski is concerned - easy blues are really her limit. It's just the comments that get her going. However for someone in their late 50's to make any changes at all is possibly dangerous and certainly inadvisable IMO. All her life she's done everything with her legs that shape, if you cant you force the leg into an unnatural position, which will pressure muscles that haven't really been used for many decades, and possibly damage the knees too. No - best left alone, or with just a nice balanced footbed (in France they're not allowed to "correct" unless they're fully qualified to do so). Sensible idea I think!
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veeeight, Nice to see Louise again she took me for my level 1 six years ago.
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easiski wrote:
comprex, Because she has no money to spend on things like that, doesn't have her own skis, and only gets to ski thanks to her twin sister inviting her to come with! She's not a serious skier at all, and it doesn't really matter as far as her abilty to ski is concerned - easy blues are really her limit. It's just the comments that get her going. However for someone in their late 50's to make any changes at all is possibly dangerous and certainly inadvisable IMO. All her life she's done everything with her legs that shape, if you cant you force the leg into an unnatural position, which will pressure muscles that haven't really been used for many decades, and possibly damage the knees too. No - best left alone, or with just a nice balanced footbed (in France they're not allowed to "correct" unless they're fully qualified to do so). Sensible idea I think!


it is not the qualified people i worry about... it is the large number of 'boot fitters' around the world who are playing doctor they are un qualified and therefore unregulated... that is the problem, a badly made 'balanced footbed' becomes a corrective device and can be destructive

as you know it is finding the good ones . the one you trust, the ones who understands the foot and knows at wht point to refer out the problem to the relevent medical professional
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CEM, well said. Very Happy
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CEM, Hypocrate!
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SMALLZOOKEEPER wrote:
CEM, Hypocrate!


was that ment to be hypocratic oath as in signed by medical professionals

i was mereley pointing out theat there are good boot fitters who know the line and some not so good [or should that be not so professional] who don't Little Angel Little Angel
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easiski wrote:
when I was a teenager (and yes, that was a long time ago), my DHO race trainers (Bunny Field, Kenny Dixon et al) were yelling at me "not to ski like a girl"


At least you were a girl, Chemmy's a gal but she didin't half ski well at the weekend.

I do love the way all boot fitters stick together and never say a bad word against one another Wink

Sorry for the interruption, back to A-Framing ....
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DB, Well - yes - it would be embarassing if you were a boy to be told not to ski like a girl - especially at age 14 or so.... wink
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easiski wrote:
DB, Well - yes - it would be embarassing if you were a boy to be told not to ski like a girl - especially at age 14 or so.... wink


Even that wouldn't of been so bad, but I only started skiing at 28. Laughing
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DB,
She was pretty good and that result must have bolstered her confidence.

What time did she finsih off the winner....?
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