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SnowWorld (Expansion) Zoetermeer The Netherlands

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This ws in the papers yesterday. Havent got time for complete translation but basically says there are advanced plans for a fourth 300M competition slope on top of 50M high trash tip complete with hilltop restuarant.They overcome some objections about views
Piste will cost €10 milllion with restuarant €13M

Also it says Snowworld Zoetermeer welcomed its 10Million visitor. I think any ski resort would welcome those kind of numbers Very Happy

http://www.ad.nl/denhaag/zoetermeer/article810373.ece
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stanton, ~Well, I sometimes think that Holland must be empty in the winter with so many peeps off skiing in the alps! Shocked
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stanton, do you happen to know how many of the Netherlands' population ski and what proportion of the total that is? Just curious as to why you get these masssive snowdomes built and we don't Confused
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Just curious as to why you get these masssive snowdomes built and we don't Confused


One word for you.........Wembley Laughing
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2005 figures

http://www.wintersporters.nl/nieuws/bericht/37


This report is prepared by the ANWB (The Dutch AA/RAC). Althought most Dutch Drive or go by coach many also Fly nowadays. My guess its more like 2M

Popluation is 16M
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Yoda, The Dutch population still *do* sport as opposed to just watch it! Little Angel
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The Dutch have been skiing for decades like just the Germans & its allways been part of the Winter. If you have ever travelled on the German Autobahn during the peak season you will see that about 1 in 3 cars is Dutch Very Happy


Mass Market skiing is relatively new to the British.


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stanton, Probably be stuck in a Jam on the Autobahns, due to the dual carriageways and roadworks - I was so disappointed when I went on an Autobahn for the first time.
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It's a pretty impressive place judging by the photos, can't see myself making a trip over specifically to ski but if I was in the area I'd do it for sure.

When you consider the size of slopes over here it's a bit frustrating, particularly with the NIMBYs out trying to stop Snoasis (as well as the government not grasping the opportunity) which could offer something similar.

Good point about Wembly, this country seems to be unable to do stuff that others can - just look at the car industry or transport. Only thing I can think of is that the people running things are incompetent but we know that anyway... don't we!

Fingers crossed for Snoasis Smile
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Alexandra, they have fantastic deals on sports facilities when at Uni. They are much les cosseted than the Brits and much more adventurous. Dutch parents are like the French: little Johnny falls over skiing and the parents laugh, British parents (mostly) rush up "are you all right, oh you poor thing" - what's that teaching the kid? Gross generalisation but none the less true for that. dutch peeps grow up DOING and thinking it's FUN. Brits have to come to that later, and are much more scared.

stanton, I'm so used to seeing those dutch number plates I'm often surprised when I don't see them - wherever! Shock
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stanton, I'm so used to seeing those dutch number plates I'm often surprised when I don't see them - wherever! Shock


Same here on the south Lincolnshire roads!! So many flower lorries and offshore registered hauliers there's not a day goes by when I don't drive up and down the A15/16/17 without passing NL numberplates.
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Maybe someone should write to the Directors of Snowworld & ask if they would consider opening a SnowWorld in the UK or if they even tried allready?

If the demand is there I cannot see a reason why a profitble centre cannot be built.
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Mass Market skiing is relatively new to the British.


Would it be wrong of me to think that the longer this takes to become a reality the better? It's not about elitism but about anti-yobbism and being able to enjoy time on the piste without the Costa del Sol mentality at 2100 metres. Toofy Grin Toofy Grin Toofy Grin rolling eyes
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stanton wrote:
The Dutch have been skiing for decades like just the Germans & its allways been part of the Winter. If you have ever travelled on the German Autobahn during the peak season you will see that about 1 in 3 cars is Dutch Very Happy

Mass Market skiing is relatively new to the British.

I'm a bit puzzled by that, surely there have been substantial numbers skiing since winter tourism really took off in the 70s/80s?

What's your definition of "mass market"?
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Would it be wrong of me to think that the longer this takes to become a reality the better? It's not about elitism but about anti-yobbism and being able to enjoy time on the piste without the Costa del Sol mentality at 2100 metres. Toofy Grin Toofy Grin Toofy Grin rolling eyes

I have to agree, my definition of a good summer holiday is invariably one that involves avoiding any area of the globe that caters for the sterotypical Brit tourist - used to love the west of Crete when virtually all the Brits went to the east. Last time I went (a few years now) that was sadly changing and the streets of the old capital, Hania, had started to echo to the drunken shouts of shirtless, legless Brit youths... urgh!

Have to say that the same goes for winter holidays too and any ski resort that goes too far down that route is going to find me (and I suspect others) avoiding it. I'm not a fan of the snooty old image of (English) skiing but neither am I keen on the lowest common denominator end of the spectrum either! One thing to be thankful for though is that I'd guess snowsports would tend to be less attractive to the type of person who spends all day with a beer in hand frying in the sun on a beach until they look like a lobster and then all night drinking more booze and trying to find a quick shag... although Wink
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bh1, I am a confirmed snob and I agree whole heartedly with your statement and I do wish these bl**dy tour operators would stop doing last minute cheap deals as it seems to encourage the chavs to take a couple of weeks off sitting on their bottoms in front of Trisha and dragging little Tyson, Mercedes-Honey and Aleeeeeeeysha out of their below-par schools.

OK, enough on that one.

easiski totally agree - dutch kids even cycle to school and the parents don't seem to fear a paedophile on every street corner.

stanton of course the reason the Dutch prefer to drive to the resort is that they're notoriously tight with money and if they drive they can take a week's worth of food in the boot. Don't bother denying it - I work in Holland - I know what you're about! snowHead
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bh1, It's already too late in some resorts. Sad

Alexandra, Yes - tight enough to put the scots to shame (sorry all!) wink wink wink
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roga,

Mass Market = Package Tours.

Dutch & Germans have allways gone DIY. There are a few Tour & Bus Companys that in recent years offer "all in" trips.
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Alexandra wrote:


stanton of course the reason the Dutch prefer to drive to the resort is that they're notoriously tight with money and if they drive they can take a week's worth of food in the boot. Don't bother denying it - I work in Holland - I know what you're about! snowHead


Absolutely correct , the Scotts would be proud of us Very Happy

We are tight asses but as you know we dont get paid very much & taxes are high . We are not on Ex-Pat salaries with 30% Tax breaks or having our taxes ALL paid for if your working for the UN or Shell rolling eyes
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bh1, I am a confirmed snob and I agree whole heartedly with your statement and I do wish these bl**dy tour operators would stop doing last minute cheap deals as it seems to encourage the chavs to take a couple of weeks off sitting on their bottoms in front of Trisha and dragging little Tyson, Mercedes-Honey and Aleeeeeeeysha out of their below-par schools.

I'm not sure if you're serious or not Laughing
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roga, Mass Market = Package Tours.

Dutch & Germans have allways gone DIY. There are a few Tour & Bus Companys that in recent years offer "all in" trips.

Aha I see, but haven't we all done package tours at one time or another? I think before the internet came along going abroad for almost any holiday meant using a package company or doing a lot of time consuming research and most (not just the yob element referred to above) went the package route. These days of course many of us choose the DIY route so I guess it's easier to differentiate - personally I haven't used a package company after a few bad experiences, most particularly on a summer holiday when we were dumped in an filthy apartment with very bad (smelly!) drains next door to a bunch of the very types we're discussing here. The rep was useless and stayed away from us from the point my wife and myself went down with food poisoning of some description - never ever again, it's DIY everywhere nowadays thanks to the internet!
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Sorry, did I kill the thread off with that post?
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[quote="roga"]Aha I see, but haven't we all done package tours at one time or another? quote]

NO
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stanton wrote:
roga wrote:
Aha I see, but haven't we all done package tours at one time or another?

NO

LOL, a very firm reaction Smile

Not even in the summer for non-ski trips? (I have)
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roga, you're assuming that you couldn't DIY a holiday before the intermawebthingyhighway came along. It was possible, perhaps not as easily as from the comfort of a keyboard and mouse, but nonetheless possible. NehNeh
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Only once in locally in Argentina but that was only becuuse my Spanish was not up to scratch.
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bh1, no, I was *clearly* saying it was a lot more difficult, this is what I said above: "before the internet came along going abroad for almost any holiday meant using a package company or doing a lot of time consuming research and most (not just the yob element referred to above) went the package route".

Nothing there to suggest that you couldn't DIY a holiday but I think it was far too time consuming for most people to consider and they took the easier route and I don't see anything particularly wrong with that. I'm just grateful for the internet which nowadays allows us all to have relatively easy access to as much information as we want so it's far, far easier to DIY than it ever was in the past.

stanton, just the once would be impressive if you've been holidaying for very much longer than the internet has been around and I'd add you must be quite unique (or perhaps have had a lot of spare time/patience/resources/cash to research). However, if you've only been old enough to organise holidays since it took off it's no big deal really is it?
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In the summer it sometimes seems like half the people visiting the Highlands of Scotland are Dutch or German - clearly there is a fellow-feeling. And the Dutch, poor things, do love mountains. (An entirely understandable feeling of course)
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