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How to stop dropping/dragging a hand?

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Does anyone have any tips to prevent my dropping/dragging my hand?

My worst fault is that after a pole plant, I tend to let my hand get dragged back and low as my whole body moves forward.

I'm pretty sure my plant is ok, it's "post" plant that I have a problem,

Some pics....





cheers.

greg
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kitenski - frankly it's looking good to me - dropped hand(s) or not.

The usual advice is *:

- think of the pole plant as being a wrist action, rather than an arm action - your arm(s) should stay out in front of you (and (reasonably) static) and the pole plant should be "lift the hand at the wrist" to extend the pole; plant and then...

- "punch" through the pole plant - so as the pole goes vertical you actively punch that hand forward which will...

- ...keep both hands within your vision.

Personally, I'd be pretty pleased with all of those pictures - you look to be having a ball snowHead

BTW - from the sample of photos, I'd also recommend turning left... wink

(* Case of do as I say, rather than do as I do here...)
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cheers Phillip,

Yeh they are nice pics, but the hand is taking me off balance, which is ok in nice snow, not so good in trickier conditions, hence I want to work on it!

I like the idea of punching will try and remember that one Smile

regards,

Greg
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kitenski, as you go in to the turn push your hand down. I do exactly the same thing. It's more a conentration than an ability problem. I'm too lazy.
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easiski gave me a drill for this last year, which involved punching forward after my pole plant, which seemed to help the problem.
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kitenski,
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as my whole body moves forward


Can't really say from the stills, especially with that pack on; how much too and from bending from the hips (chin along ski) do you think you do?
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Probably tougher to do in fresh snow, but my coaches have me dragging the tip of the old inside pole in the snow after the touch. I can't do that and drop my hand, of course. Something to think about.

I find the punch works, too, especially in the bumps. nolo coached her crew in bumps to think of the bumps as trolls. Stab the trolls with your pole, then punch 'em as they wake up. Stab-punch, stab-punch. Seems to work for a lot of folks. I coached a few in my group on Wednesday to do this, and it improved their pole and hand use in the bumps.
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kitenski, Yorkshire is renowned for its knuckledragers wink
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Oooh I do this too, I am hoping I shall get it sorted out next week on the Snoworks course, I don't look anywhere near as good as kitenski though.
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comprex wrote:
kitenski,
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as my whole body moves forward


Can't really say from the stills, especially with that pack on; how much too and from bending from the hips (chin along ski) do you think you do?


not a lot I think....I do have some video which maybe shows it a bit better, here:

http://gregh.co.uk/divx/gregski.divx

Cheers,

Greg
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kitenski, in the lessons we had this year we were all doing the arm drop thing. we were told to plant using principally the wrist and keep the upper arm relatively quiet. Plant by pointing point the pole ahead using your wrist and as you ski past the pole, the wrist rotates down and through rather than swinging the whole arm. If you need more power in a plant the lower arm is used more but the upper arm should not be working much.
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kitenski, IMHO, and I'm no instructor, you are somewhat asymmetric - your right arm wants to live in your right pocket and your left arm is doing a fabulous job of gate opening.

I think the most important thing is that you at least recognise the first problem. IIRC, and it's been a while since anyone told me, you want your ams to be relatively quiet, pole planting is a wrist flicking exercise (except in bumps, if it's really steep or you're racing, etc.). So your arms shouldn't need to be moving around a great deal at all.

Unlike what they're doing...

Maybe just focus on thinking about where your hands are - try and keep them roughly as you would if you were driving a car with a large steering wheel.

I think just being conscious of where they are and where they should be will help.

Hopefully someone suitably qualified will be along with a helpful exercise soon!
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kitenski,
I have seen this lots of times, one idea that seems to work is to imagine you are reading the Sunday Times (or any other broardsheet) ie. both hands in front and reasonably high and wide, don't let your hands get out of your line of sight. The CSIA teaches dragging a tip on piste but not so easy off P.
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Chill - the basics are their and good. You probally do this on piste but the pow exagerates it. It also looks like you have enought tips to last you a life time.

Turns are more Z than S -
I however find that deep powder requires an adaptation of your basic skill - try rolling you wrist around with your poles more lateral. I find that you then can keep you body open to the mountain and your feet turning (passively/smoothly).

Sometimes when you try and plant ias far forward as you last pic the deep stuff you can fold at the waist. Just touch the snow (the pole will drop through it anway) as you ski down the fall line just keep you hands in teh vision window of your goggles.

Also if you want to look a real geek - put a rubber across both pole grips and keep it taught. Go up and down a blue run concentrating on wrist only pole planting, slowly flatten you skis - dont try and carve, you just want to pivot (as you kinda in the pow).
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a real geek - put a rubber across both pole grips and keep it taught


Shocked
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tailskidder wrote:
Also if you want to look a real geek - put a rubber across both pole grips and keep it taught.

Isn't that more inclined to make you look like a real gimp????? Shocked
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I think keeping getting taught will help to erradicate a lot of bad habits. snowHead
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When I was a kid it was all about a tray of drinks... six g'n'ts should just about sort you out... well, at least you'll not care where your hands are, just getting up will be enough... Wink
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parlor, I find that tends to get the hands too high, the elbows up, and the arms pretty much out from the shoulders instead of in a more relaxed "ready" position. I don't often use that drill for that reason...
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