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@noodlehat, tbh it doesn't promising in terms of the shop. So there was no customisation? Footbed?
Reason I ask, is yeah it could be wrong size, equally it could be the boot just needs customising. Although that usually works better in terms of punching out.
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| noodlehat wrote: |
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As an aside is there difference in the half Mondo sizes? Ie 27 Vs 27.5? I read previously there's not? Is it just the liner being thicker/ thinner but same shell? |
I believe that is correct - same shell ; maybe a different foot board/inner to change the size
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| noodlehat wrote: |
@olderscot, thanks, yeah I think it's at least 25mm but haven't got accurate way to measure really. I've emailed the shop but they're a 2hr drive from home so not ideal!
As an aside is there difference in the half Mondo sizes? Ie 27 Vs 27.5? I read previously there's not? Is it just the liner being thicker/ thinner but same shell? |
27.0/27.5 is the same shell, same liner and either a thicker insole in the 27.0 or the same insole and a volume reducer shim supplied in the box (many brands now size the boot on the box as 27.0/27.5 and provide the volume reducer)
either way unless you have a very big heel instep perimeter 25mm is going to be on the generous side for anyone (there are exceptions to the rule but they are not many)
i really does sound like the boot is too big but without someone seeing it and confirming anything else is guesswork
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| noodlehat wrote: |
As an aside is there difference in the half Mondo sizes? Ie 27 Vs 27.5? I read previously there's not? Is it just the liner being thicker/ thinner but same shell? |
Depends on the brand really. It's always the case that one shell fits two sizes, but that breaks down differently. Tecnica for example has one shell for 26.5/27 and the next size up for 27.5/28. So 27 vs 27.5 in Tecnica are indeed two different shells and sole lengths. Most other brands do 27/27.5, 28/28.5, etc.
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| noodlehat wrote: |
As an aside is there difference in the half Mondo sizes? Ie 27 Vs 27.5? I read previously there's not? Is it just the liner being thicker/ thinner but same shell? |
Depends on the brand really. It's always the case that one shell fits two sizes, but that breaks down differently. Tecnica for example has one shell for 26.5/27 and the next size up for 27.5/28. So 27 vs 27.5 in Tecnica are indeed two different shells and sole lengths. Most other brands do 27/27.5, 28/28.5, etc. |
what model of boots are you looking at.... i can assure you all their alpine boots are 26.0/26.5 then 27.0/27.5 as is the norm
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So I’ve been in a pair of Tecnica 110 28.5 (330m) boots for the last 10yrs. I’ve been very happy with them, but I’ve recently bought some new skis and fitted shift bindings to them. So I’ve decided to get some new boots that have GW and can be used with pins.
I’ve seen a great deal online for a pair of Tecnica 110 28.5 that fit the bill for features required.
My current boots didn’t require much work bar heating lining and custom footbed.
So if I bought these boots, am I likely to get a similar fit to my current boot. And can I take the new boots to a bootfitter to get them fitted? Obviously expecting to pay for them to be fitted.
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We would only undertake the work if the boot size is correct, in that i mean it would be the size we'd sell you. Otherwise it's a fairly sub optimal process and we'd refuse the opportunity to take your money. For us, a size 28 boot should be a slightly higher flex too, assuming with feet that big you weigh more than 55kg.
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| snopicnicshere wrote: |
So I’ve been in a pair of Tecnica 110 28.5 (330m) boots for the last 10yrs. I’ve been very happy with them, but I’ve recently bought some new skis and fitted shift bindings to them. So I’ve decided to get some new boots that have GW and can be used with pins.
I’ve seen a great deal online for a pair of Tecnica 110 28.5 that fit the bill for features required.
My current boots didn’t require much work bar heating lining and custom footbed.
So if I bought these boots, am I likely to get a similar fit to my current boot. And can I take the new boots to a bootfitter to get them fitted? Obviously expecting to pay for them to be fitted. |
100% agree with what @CH20 just said, if the boot is the correct size and volume then yes we would do that work, but as he also said flex seems low, 28.5 in a flex like 110 i buy maybe 1-2 pairs for those lanky tall beginners who have long feet and cant flex anything more, but the vast majority of what we carry in that sort of size is 120/130 flex and for good reason
we also stop working on boots we haven't supplied when the the diary gets busy normally by end of august , sometimes mid September if it is a slow start to the season, we just don't have the capacity to do that kind of work when we have a rack of boots to sell because inevitably the boot someone brings in is a size too big so we have a wasted appointment
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@CEM, You'd be delighted to know the same brand, Tecnica make their Jnr, nay enfant race boot the Firebird 65 all the way upto a 28.5, which has to go down as the biggest waste of a mould in ski boot history. Hear those Achilles' go ping!
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Am I about to fall down the same rabbit hole I fell down years ago, online boot purchase?
Approx 3 seasons ago I bite the bullet and got fitted properly by a proper boot fitter and they squeazed me into a very nice pair of hawx primes 130 (bought foolishly online/in resort and local ski shop previously)now the liner needs replaced but I wouldn't mind changing them over to the atomic hawx prime xtd 120 (pins) version, could I possibly just take chance on a online sale item rather than the 1000 mile returm drive to the fitter . The boot has been superseded for next season with boa but would be looking for last seasons so same generation of shell. Would probably save around £300.
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@powderfetish, to save £300
You must be mad
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@powderfetish, not sure what you are asking? Are you intending to take the xtd's to a fitter for customisation or hoping/expecting them to be fine off the shelf?
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You know it makes sense.
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@powderfetish, I have a pair of the hawx xtd ultras, and the lining is VERY thin. I wouldn't chance it.
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| powderfetish wrote: |
Am I about to fall down the same rabbit hole I fell down years ago, online boot purchase?
Approx 3 seasons ago I bite the bullet and got fitted properly by a proper boot fitter and they squeazed me into a very nice pair of hawx primes 130 (bought foolishly online/in resort and local ski shop previously)now the liner needs replaced but I wouldn't mind changing them over to the atomic hawx prime xtd 120 (pins) version, could I possibly just take chance on a online sale item rather than the 1000 mile returm drive to the fitter . The boot has been superseded for next season with boa but would be looking for last seasons so same generation of shell. Would probably save around £300. |
If it’s the same size shell and you know it fits you, then it’s probably worth the risk. If you need adjustments you’re going to need to find a decent fitter next time you’re in a resort
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Poster: A snowHead
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Quick question if anyone can help please;
Bought new Atomic Hawx Magna online because they were cheap (idiot) and they are too wide at 102mm last whereas the Hawx Prime at 100mm last fits perfectly (had to hire some in resort due to Magna not fitting well enough).
As the boots only cost me £120 is there anyway of paying to make them fit better ?
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Simply no. What size and model you might find someone willing to buy them off you if basically unused unmodified.
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@Jammy 07, wear thicker socks?
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@Jammy 07, hmmm, you can always (+/-) make bigger, can't easily make smaller ...
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Thanks everyone for the responses and I’ll look to sell them for what I paid if possible.
Hawk Magna 100 Black/Anthracite Size 26.5 and worn by my son for about half an hour in resort but other than that as new.
Will advertise them properly later but if anyone is interested then please get in touch.
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I'm starting to think about replacing my ski boots - nothing much wrong with them, just starting to get old - 13 years old after this season
They're a bit bashed up now, the bottom buckle on one boot has started to get a bit loose, and the heels are starting to look a little worn - but definitely nothing unsafe about them for now
13 years is a long time for boot technology to improve, the ones i've seen in the shops are much lighter now, and am sure new boots will have a lot more spring in them
Have a couple of places in mind i was thinking of going to for fitting - it may not be this year as i may hold out until after next season, and haven't quite decided where to do the fitting
I started doing a bit of a brain dump of what i was like as an upper intermediate becoming advanced skier back in 2011 vs now as a more advanced skier who has bought skis since and a lot more competent
Thought it might be worth having a think about what i should know before doing a fitting in terms of what boots might fit/work best
My old boots are Nordica Speed Machine SM100 and have been fine with no issues the whole time - fitted well no modifications needed
- i do have slightly odd shaped feet: they're long and narrow in both the feet and ankles
I mostly do piste skiing largely reds/blacks with a bit of unpisted runs and some bits of off piste
Am guessing i would probably benefit from a boot with a higher flex rating - perhaps 120/130 seems to be what i've read
Since i bought my current ones they're all i've known - am sure during the fitting they will ask all the relevant questions but anything that can help ensure i get a suitable good fitting boot and lasts well would be much appreciated
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perhaps 120/130 seems to be what i've read
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utter nonsense unless referring to your weight, absolutely no relevance or correlation between ability and flex, no matter what you read or the manufactures tell you. see an experienced bootfitter that understand the science-"ski-ence" of ski boots, it's a perfect blend of biology, chemistry and physics, leave the internet alone, full of utter marketting and confirmation biased nonsense.
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Of course i will go with an experienced boot fitter (as stated) - just want to learn a bit in advanced in regards to what has changed over time
I know it's complicated otherwise i'd just buy boots off the shelf after putting my foot in them and not bother with getting the fitting
But are you suggesting everything written in terms of a relationship between ability and flex rating is utter nonsense eg here:
https://www.powderlife.com/blog/ski-boot-flex-everything-you-need-to-know/
The link does of course reference other factors, but my height, weight and biomechanics have likely remained largely unchanged, so the main factors that have certainly changed over time are ability and preference. I'm not going to reject a boot fitter's judgement if they don't suggest a boot with a flex rating over 120 but was looking for constructive suggestions other than leave it all to the fitter - but if that's the general view, that's what i'll do
Last edited by After all it is free  on Tue 9-07-24 14:57; edited 1 time in total
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If you can explain to me how ability can possibly be a factor when choosing a boot, given all the skience and variables, aside nonsense on the net I’m all ears. My conclusion after 25 years is that it has absolutely none what so ever. I’ve put so many more beginners in WC boots than ever, if ever in a beginners boot for example. The penny dropped full for me when i approached a boot manufacturer for a boot for my 8yr old son, he’s a club racer, so is at the very least he’s an expert. Could I get him a 130 expert boot? No, why, skience.
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Not my flavor, just skience, I’ll leave the religious sermons for the others. I don’t believe CEM and I have any difference of opinion on the matter. However whether the subject of standardised tests is under question here I’ll stick to my empirical guns rather than the old testament thanks. The subject will be closed in October when a few choice heads are sat together to put better the subject to the public. It would seem the skience needs to be put into the public domain before it’s a true scandal, as it has been up to now. A huge amount of YouTube videos will disappear overnight! 
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| The subject will be closed in October when a few choice heads are sat together to put better the subject to the public |
I want in (as a fly on the wall). Will there be beer? Or maybe I need to bring some 
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| CH2O wrote: |
| Not my flavor, just skience, I’ll leave the religious sermons for the others. I don’t believe CEM and I have any difference of opinion on the matter. However whether the subject of standardised tests is under question here I’ll stick to my empirical guns rather than the old testament thanks. The subject will be closed in October when a few choice heads are sat together to put better the subject to the public. It would seem the skience needs to be put into the public domain before it’s a true scandal, as it has been up to now. A huge amount of YouTube videos will disappear overnight! |
100% agree flex numbers are the marketing departments way of denoting the top boot in the range
there is no standardization in flexes it is all averages, each brand will test all the other brands 130 flex and make their 130 flex where they feel it should be, some want to be the stiffest some the softest but is there a definitive 130 Nope , nada not a chance, too many factors including the boot design, the density of the plastic used in the injection, the liner materials, and then after you have done that each person will feel that flex slightly differently due to the way the boot fits their foot / leg
a boot can't tell how good a skier you are.... but your body weight, level length, biomechanics and lastly technique can determine how much you bend it
if you like a podcast listen, check out blister gear 30 Matt Manser of Atomic does a dive into flex in one episode which might just give you an idea of the complexity
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You know it makes sense.
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Matt is part of the problem. And soon part of the solution to this nonsense. He clearly states in the podcast the figure is not in nm the measurement used to attribute your flex number. I then get data sheets and they’re all measured in nm and are exact to that number stated in the boot. Whilst they all use bespoke machines, the parameters under which the machines operate are identical, so for me I struggle to understand how this is not standardised. Perhaps the term standardised is incorrect. We all use different weighing scales to weigh ourselves but the unit of measurement is the same, is this not considered a standard test either??
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what is it that you require to consider the test standardised exactly? The only anomaly i've encountered in multiple visits is that the machine used to test the flex is different, you can buy a different tape measure to me but it will measure a cm the same, this is hilarious.
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Dude, indeed I’ve been around enough. I got frustrated by it way back around 2005, so I upped camp and passed several months in Italy. I saw the tests in every factory, and as I say, the difference is factory to factory use a machine hand made. The parameters under which the tests are set to are the same, temperature, flex angles, ROM, closure resistance and duration. The type of plastic has nothing to do with the inability to test uniformly. I don’t understand your point. You can put lamb or beef on the scales the weight is the weight.
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If the test yields 126nm to 134nm it will be attributed 130nm, of course they can’t offer a precise measurement. Firstly impossible to build a range at that level of precision, secondly variables at use, temperature and human factors change the data. However the data given, the flex number is accurate when rounded up or down at the factory using the “standardised” parameters. For me, and it would seem I’m the only one globally satisfied with this, it is standardised.
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[quote="CH2O". You can put lamb or beef on the scales the weight is the weight.[/quote]
i like my lamb pink and my beef rare and a kg of each cooks for a different time to get that result for what it is worth the lamb needs 10 mins more cooking time 
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Your preferences are variables that no test gives a heck about, all meats are the same weight, cooked for the same time, one might be rare, 110, on might be medium, 120. Both are cooked for 30000 flexes through the same range of motion at the same temperature, the difference in the result is indeed due to the different meat, hence it’s used. Xx
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@CEM, It’s gonna be hard to get you to subscribe to this I’m sure, you’ve believed in Santa Claus for too long and are on record stating heresy as fact, you can of course in light of actual data say it’s simply what you have been told for years, however you’ve never taken what’s been told as gospel in my memory, perhaps age and the path of least resistance “pun intended” is taking its toll. But I assure you the numbers you use are not arbitrary, they refer to a very precise test, albeit simplified for the consumer in NM. The earth is round bro! Xx
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I've run out of popcorn! 
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| CH2O wrote: |
| @CEM, It’s gonna be hard to get you to subscribe to this I’m sure, you’ve believed in Santa Claus for too long and are on record stating heresy as fact, you can of course in light of actual data say it’s simply what you have been told for years, however you’ve never taken what’s been told as gospel in my memory, perhaps age and the path of least resistance “pun intended” is taking its toll. But I assure you the numbers you use are not arbitrary, they refer to a very precise test, albeit simplified for the consumer in NM. The earth is round bro! Xx |
No the earth is flat, you told me that 
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I am actually wondering what he is trying to get me to subscribe to, I tend to deal
In facts and a bit of witchcraft but I am as confused as everyone else right now
Back to the sun lounger, must try and get a tan ( of sorts, I’m pale blue by origin)
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