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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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IncogSkiSno, why? Are you going to see if you can pull in Tignes? 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Sage, Only to my SO to prove me wrong 
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more men on the course
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there's usually been more men on any course I have attended. If it had been the other way round the chaps would have been muttering about being "swamped" by women.
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The oft-mentioned ratio for St Anton is 10:1 and I wouldn't argue much with that based on all my trips there. I went to Killington once and it was even worse - a "sausage fest" my mate called it. In Banff and Steamboat I found it to be roughly 50:50. In Kaprun one time just before Christmas it was 10 females to each male!!... but soon had the situation clarified for me by the barman... it was a lesbian event.
Overall I'd say 65:35 or 60:40 at best.
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I don't know what the figures are generally, but in my experience there are too few women on Snoworks courses 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I've found that in most passtimes the ratio of men to women seems to be at least 60:40
I wondered for many years how this could be? Where were all the women?
Last week I finally found the answer when I took Gregory down to Oxford St. to buy some clothes. Him and me in a queue of 12 women waiting for the changing rooms! In one large shop (selling clothes for Men, Women and Children) I saw only two men, and they seemed to simply be there in an observational role. I looked up and down the street: clothes shops oriented toward women out numbered those oriented toward men by about 10:1. All those shops full of all those women standing in all those queues to try on all those clothes.
So that's it - more men ski than women, more men surf than women, more men sit in the park, drive busses, protest outside Parliament and go to the moon than women for the simple reason that so many women are 'busy' waiting for the stupid changing rooms!!!
Last edited by So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much  on Sun 15-10-06 0:57; edited 1 time in total
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You know it makes sense.
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rob@rar, most of the "classes" I have been on during the last 10 years (on snow that is) have been of the guru clinics/guided tours variety and men have been in the majority on those. I'm not sure how or if the relative numbers in any type of "class" correlate with the numbers of "skiers in general". I suggest a survey of bars and restaurants during the coming season 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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admin, the other place woman are is "Out for dinner" - particularly in large groups...
I could go look in the skier and boarder profile threads...
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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The fact that there are more male skiers on courses than women proves that men are more responsible and better skiers as clearly the lack of women implies that they think that they don't need lessons 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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The fact that there are more male skiers on courses than women proves that men are more responsible and better skiers as clearly the lack of women implies that they think that they don't need lessons
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I know this is tongue in cheek, but perhaps closer to the mark is that women know they need lessons but are reluctant to put themselves forward for "clinics" which look for a specific level of ability, and where they fear they might end up feeling out of place, or "holding up the group". So, they don't think they are "too good" for lessons, they fear they are not good enough!
It may also be true that fewer women, particularly if they have kids, get the chance to go away for an "extra" ski week, or are willing to go off on their own, without SOs. Sally Chapman's company has started some special long weekends for women, which seem to be very popular, probably for both these reasons.
Skiing is not as skewed as sailing, where many keen yachties seem to be men with reluctant women in tow. You see them trying to anchor - hubbie on the helm, shouting incoherently, little lady on the foredeck struggling with a damn great anchor. She's incompetent, he's not much better though he thinks he is, he's certainly a hopeless trainer, and it's a vicious circle. You see echoes of the same syndrome on the slopes.
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On privious years uni trips its allways been a pritty even mix, in the past when ive done lessons on a uni trip there have allways been many more women to men.
On the uni team there are a lot more male racers than female.
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I would say about 70 : 30.
Why, don't really know. It's just what I have from being in various different resorts at different times of the year. Some places seem to have a more equal ratio and some are worse.
I guess that skiing is a pretty physically demanding sport. I don't know of a lot of sports where the numbers of women are greater than the number of men performing that sport. I'm sure there are some ... maybe horse riding ? or perhaps swiming ?
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I'd be very surprised in the ratio was more even than 65:35 and taking into account total ski days I'd imagine it is far more skewed. I don't think I've ever come across a mixed singles ski group where women outnumbered men.
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3 to 1 in this household all skiers  (me being the only male)
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I would say about 70 : 30.
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Looks right except for the Dutch.
I have seen/spoke to/drank with more Dutch ladies than men.
It maybe that I'm more willing to drink with them  but even on the slopes it seems the women out number the Dutch lads.
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| fatbob wrote: |
| I'd be very surprised in the ratio was more even than 65:35 |
I'd go along with that.
On my large group ski trips, the ratio is usually about 64:1 (of course, that is a ski trip from an all boys school... so hardly a random sample)
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Nick_C, yeah, but according to my random sample they're all lesbians.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Arrived one afternoon at Tignes a few years ago and the place was heaving with ladies . . . positively swimming with a full range of delights . . . hopped on the free chair to get my legs into the swing of things for the next day, glanced sideways at pink cheek'd, smiling, siren who opened her lips and breathlessly whispered "have you found Jesus?"
an Evangelical Christian ladies ski week . . . not even the instructors had any fun that week 
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Masque, I think I still prefer the Snowheads meetup code :
"have you found Frosty the Snowman?"
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You know it makes sense.
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Perhaps there's a difference between taking lessons - and going on a specialist advanced tuition clinic. I would guess women are quite happy doing the former (most classes I've taken, especially thinking of Canada, there've been more women) and men prefer to take the specialist clinic. As a vast generalisation
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cathy, the same thought had crossed my mind. Looking back through the personnel lists of SCGB holidays I've been on the M:F ratios are:
Flaine 2003 (Red/Silver, no instruction): 10:4, 71% male
Argentiere 2003 (Silver/Purple, no instruction): 7:2, 78% male
Flaine 2004 (Silver, instruction): 7:0, 100% male
Davos 2004 (Red/Silver, no instruction): 20:8, 71% male
Grimentz 2005 (touring instruction): 6:1, 86% male
Klosters 2005 (purple, 'old farts', guided/'instruction'): 9:4, 69% male
Val d'I 2005 (silver-gold, big social, guided/instruction): 52:25, 67% male
La Grave 2006 (purple): 12:0, 100% male
Gran Paradiso 2006 (touring): 7:0, 100% male
also in 2005 Haute Route (touring): 9:0, 100% male
and, while I don't have an attendance list, I think the backcountry snoworks course last year was something about 42:7, 86% male
That huge Val d'I trip is a bit of a strange case as, although it's pitched at a fairly high level and there is guiding/instruction each day, it's clearly a big social thing, and most of those who go on that go every year to meet up with the same old crew.
So ratios of 2:1 at 'best', on the more social and easy-going holidays. On the more strenuous and instructional weeks the ratios go up to 6:1 or worse, and for those that promise a genuine degree of effort, and possibly some discomfort, it's just us blokes  (although by careful observation that doesn't seem to be the case for the Scandis or Frogs ). Those are also generally the smallest groups.
Conclusion: the Brit female skier is just frankly pretty nesh!
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| GrahamN wrote: |
| Conclusion: the Brit female skier is just frankly pretty nesh! |
Great word, "nesh". I come originally from Warrington, where it was common currency: usually to describe anyone from south of the Mersey! Where did you pick up the word?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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GrahamN, sorry, but this is surely a survey of how game women are to go on a ski club holiday... not very by the looks of it.
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laundryman, my mother's family is from Rotherham, so I got it from her - generally describing someone a bit soft and rather too keen on their comforts.
Bode Swiller - no (although it is of course a small sample), as a) they seem fairly keen on the less demanding trips, where the ratio is pretty much the 65:35 you quote and b) neither the Haute Route nor the snoworks course were anything to do with the SCGB. These are also the only actual figures (rather than perceptions) anyone's quoted, and the initaial question was prompted by a discussion about just this type of course.
Incogskisno. I would guess it'll be about 80% male or more. And as any self-respecting female will be doing something like baking Xmas cakes or stirring puddings or something at that time , the only women on that will have the culinary skills of Rea or Ruth .
BTW, from what little I've seen, I think the touring ratio is 90-95% male.
Also, looking at competitors in the local regional dry-slope race circuit, one region has approximately 2:1 ratio at under 10, approx 1:1 ratio up to age 30, but then switches to about 80% male from 30 onwards. The other region has about 3:1 under 9, rising to relatively even about age 12, then more boys at 14, very few of either from 16-30, then about 85% male over 30. Maybe this is indicative of mums looking after younger kids - the vast majority of the adult male skiers are dads of the youngsters (and a few, but not many, of them can actually beat their kids). There are some very competitive mums as spectators/goads though  .
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fatbob, our standard group is 4 girls to 2 blokes. All the chicks are strong technical skiers including one former instructor.
It must be admitted that although one of the girls has a little penchant for furlined hoodies and rhinestone ski pants which makes it much harder for her to get taken seriously in ski shops... deceptive appearances, etc.
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GrahamN, nice pictures  - if someone could photo-shop them together, we may end up with IncogSkiSno,
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