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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Any part that doesn't conform to the drawing will be flagged upon inspection and then a concession raised. This then has to be sent back to the structural analysts who will either deem the component still fit for purpose or prescribe a repair. Each concession will be tracked by the customer. There would have to be a SERIOUS cock up or cover up at the manufacture/inspection stages for unfit components to get shipped...
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Sharkymark, I saw this on Sky News this morning and the report was unequivocal. They claimed that parts that were not manufactured to spec had been used.
The report included claims that the sub-contractors had falsified records as to how parts had been made (supposedly parts that should have been made with precision machines were being done using hand tools).
Boeing didn't give Sky an interview (possibly because this is an old story) and didn't deny any of the claims but did gave a generic "we manufacture to the highest standards" sort of statement.
I was a bit surprised that Sky went in so strong on a major company like Boeing who would have the resources to sue.
And now the Chunnels closed! How will we ever get to the earthly paradise that is The Netherlands?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Sharkymark, is quite correct, I'd also point out that if an aircraft part is out of tolerance it almost certainly would not fit, now it's possible that parts were supplied that were out of tolerance and that Boeing re machined the parts after checking that they had sufficient material to do so, but if the parts were out of tolerance they won't fit and the plane would never take off
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D G Orf, one of the more vivid claims was that Boeing engineers had had to whack some of the parts with hammers to get them to fit! Supposedly, some were out by an inch.
One of the chief complaints was that this would, obviously, weaken the aircraft.
Strong words from Sky who aren't exactly renowned for their investigative journalism.
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| ben wright wrote: |
| D G Orf, one of the more vivid claims was that Boeing engineers had had to whack some of the parts with hammers to get them to fit! |
Sometimes this needs to be done – to a degree. Many, many years ago when I worked on aero engine assembly lines, it was common practice to use a rawhide mallet to ease the flame tubes into position because they were an interference fit. This was more gentle persuasion than outright whacking but an observer (particularly one with a view in talking up the story) would no doubt have seen it in a different light.
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ben wright, an inch would almost certainly not fit, ever, no matter how much you " it it wid an ammer "
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A bloke just got the sack for using someone elses stamp to sign off some aircraft work. As Sm wrote - concession tracking is carried out pretty ruthlessly - but original part spec falsification may be more difficult to detect.
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| D G Orf wrote: |
| ben wright, an inch would almost certainly not fit, ever, no matter how much you " it it wid an ammer " |
I believe that in the days when a lot of metal bashing industry was based in Birmingham, a Hammer was sometimes referred to as a " Brummagem Screwdriver" 
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a Hammer was sometimes referred to as a " Brummagem Screwdriver"
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Alastair Pink, That wasn't a hammer, more like a pickaxe 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Sky News were still showing this tonight. The "inch" was actually a gap that they conjectured could develop rather than the original error in the sizing.
The report was clear in what was saying so Sky must think they've got evidence to back up their claims or don't care that they're going to take a pasting from Boeing's lawyers.
Perhaps the most worrying thing was the pay-off, the judge who's hearing the case brought by the whistle-blowers who are trying to force the FAA to do something is 99 years old!
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ben wright, I love conjecture, especially that made by journalists that often know very little about the story they're reporting
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You know it makes sense.
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Oh, that all we need now, O'Leary's planes falling out of the sky
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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hibernia, fat hope one'd land on him 
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Poster: A snowHead
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OK so how many of these planes have fell out of the sky? and how many of said planes was it casued by said defect?
Looks like more scare mongering to sell news to me.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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D G Orf, I've dealt with Sky's commercial lawyers enough to know that they're a bunch of bed-wetters and I have no reason to believe that their clearance people are any less risk-averse.
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