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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Stop waffleing and hurry up and writre it then. 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Problem I got tennis elbow,yes from the Pc mouse very very painfull . Im doing my best. Probably get the first 30 or so routes up by Monday .
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Problem I got tennis elbow,yes from the Pc mouse very very painfull
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ooooh stanton, you do seem like "hard core" 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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From work . I know a few tech folk with it . It is extremely painfull. Yes & b4 anyone asks I know every KB shorcut there is & also swapped hands but it does not help as its the finger motion . Only cure is lonf term rest 
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I only use a trackball these days and rest my arm and it on a big squishy cushion, no pains in the wrist since.
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stanton,
Sounds a great idea, look forward to it..... 
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| stanton wrote: |
| Problem I got tennis elbow,yes from the Pc mouse very very painfull . Im doing my best. Probably get the first 30 or so routes up by Monday . |
Carpal tunnel syndrome?
I had a problem. Got a Kensington pro trackball. Problem solved.
Looking forward to seeing your routes.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Heres a start including St Anton(Kapal,Valluga.Pfanne,Galzig,Rendl),Lech & Warth (Warth is not on Arlberg Lift Pass but descents end nearby Lech)
St Anton
Kapal Level VD (M) (Km appx) Dest
Schöngraben-Schafgliger Ex 1030 3.7 Nasserein
Schöngraben-Wald Mod/Ex 1030 3.7 Nasserein
Valluga (2) Level VD (M) (Km appx) Dest
Valluga Nord Ex 900 4.1 Base Trittalpfbahn Zurs
Valluga West Ex 900 4.8 Base Trittkopfbahn Zurs
Valluga West Brückenschuβ Ex 900 4.7 Base Trittkopfbahn Zurs
Valluga West (S/W variant) Ex 900 4.8 Base Trittkopfbahn Zurs
Pfanneköpfe Level VD (M) (Km appx) Dest
Pfanne-Valfagehr (SW variant) Mod 580 2.8 Rauz
Pfanne-Valfagehr (E variant) Mod 580 2.8 Rauz
Galzig Level VD (M) (Km appx) Dest
Jungbrunntobel Mod/Ex 800 3.2 Moos
Maienwasen Mod 800 3.1 Moos
Nachtigall/Maieenwasen Mod 800 3.2 Moos
Maienplatt Mod 800 3.7 Moos
Maienplatt/Bagga Tobel Ex 800 3.5 Moos
Waldschneise Mod 800 4.6 Moss
Rendl (North Face) Level VD (M) (Km appx) Dest
Wannele-Gstansböden Mod 1150 3.7 Rendlbahn
Schimmelegg Mod 1150 3.8 Rendlbahn
Schimmelegg- Gstansböden Mod 1150 3.7 Rendlbahn
Rendl (Hinter Rendl) Level VD (M) (Km appx) Dest
Hinterer Rendl Mod 1340 4.9 Rendlbahn
Schimmelegg- Hinterer Rendl Ex 1150 4.3 Rendlbahn
Rendlscharte-MitterKar-Malfontal Mod/Ex 1350 9.5 Pettneu am Arlberg
Rendl (Roβfall) Level VD (M) (Km appx) Dest
Roβfal Mod 980 7.2 Rendlbahn
Lech
Rüfikopf Level VD (M) (Km appx) Dest
Schwarze Wand Ex 900 2.4 Lech
Wöster Mod/Ex 750 6.5 Lech
Bockbachta Mod/Ex 1100 11.7 Steeg (Lechtal)
WösterKopf Mod/Ex 1100 10 Base Schloβkopfbahn Lech
Fuchsloch Ex 860 2.4 Wiesele
ZugerHorn Level VD (M) (Km appx) Dest
ZugerHorn Abendweide Mod 220 3.3 Zug
ZugerHorn Abendweide(Svariant)Mod 220 3.3 Zug
Butzengratz-Schneetal Ex 870 10.2 Zug
Fürmesle Mod 640 3.9 Warth
Rotschrofenbahn Level VD (M) (Km appx) Dest
Melkertäli Mod 640 3.9 Warth
Warth
Auenfelderbahn Level VD (M) (Km appx) Dest
Karhorn Mod/Ex 750 4.3 Stubenbach (Lech)
Bürstegg Mod 600 4.8 Stubenbach (Lech)
Arlenberg-Karbühel Mod 660 3.8 Stubenbach (Lech)
Stuben, Zurs & Sonnenkopf to follow later.
Must emphasize these are Off-Piste descents not Ski touring Routes thats a different story 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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stanton, All this is wetting my appetite to go back to St Anton again. Can you let the ignorant (I do pig-ignorant very well) have a key for thing s like "Dest", "Ex 900 2.4" und so veiter?
I do a lot of CAD work - and was getting pain in my wrist, palm, and under my forearm. That trackball (the ball is about the size of a snooker ball) ended the problem.
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Me too..
Good stuff, certainly some reading-up material there...
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You know it makes sense.
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achilles, I'm assuming the key is:
level: Mod=moderate, Ex=expert,
VD (M) = vertical drop in metres
x.y = length of run in km
Dest = final destination of run
so "Butzengratz-Schneetal Ex 870 10.2 Zug" is an Expert run, dropping 870metres, 10.2km long, finishing in Zug.
Cue a whole thread on what "Expert" and "Moderate", or even "Moderate/Expert" actually mean.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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I also forgot to say that some of these runs are not suitable for snowboarders.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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stanton,
Good post.
GrahamN, Might have to talk about a trip to St A...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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stanton, You might also be interested in the book "Off Piste in the Arlberg". I've only ever seen it in the book shop in St Anton. It's well worth picking up.
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I,ve seen it amougst many others. You mean "Abseits der Piste" yes its written by a local Thurner Andreas. You can buy it from his website
http://www.outdoor-adventures.at/
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Yep, it's by Andy Thurner, but it's in English and is called "Off Piste around the Arlberg" (I think). Perhaps it's the English translation of Abseits der Piste - it has the same picture on the cover? The English version doesn't seem to be available on his site so perhaps it's now out of print.
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I beleive there is an English version,looks like they even translated his name ! I expect most if not all of the routes I have listed are in the book as they are well know amoungst the Arlberg Ski Bums
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David Holyoak,
I havent got time to go through all the Arlberg Off Piste listed on your website but I noticed quite a few decriptions of decent misleading
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St.Anton to Ischgl
A good hard day tour skiing starting with a 3 hour climb to reach the Raute joch from where there are glorious descents down south and east slopes to reach Otztal and the resort of Ischgl
Otztal ? Silvretta
descents s/routes miss spelt ?
Sonnenkopf - Nassingast ? Nenzingasttal
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Hi Stanton, was not expecting you to check etc but thanks for your comments which we're checking.
Andy Thurner apparently has a new book but I do not yet have details beyond the following ...
New Book – Arlberg Skitouringguide:
192 pages, 230!! Pictures, 37 routes with 63 runs clearely marked in the pictures.
Also included are 3-D Maps to every route.
Diveded into St. Anton, Zürs, Lech, Stuben and Sonnenkopf.
All routes are based on ski touring equipement.
Will post again as and when I can find out
Cheers
dh
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thanks ...
not otztal, not silvretta, but andy thurner confirms is 'paznauntal' and yes as you rightly point out is nessingthiingyl
Eagle eyes always welcome
Cheers
dh
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Just today booked a course in St. Anton with www.snoworks.co.uk in Jan. Not been there before so looking forward to finding what it's all about.
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Yes, I have that old Andy Thurner book in English. It is often very unclear - just not enough detail.
Many of the French off-piste guides use phrases such as "pass a large rock on the left" - does this mean the rock is on your left or you pass to the left of it?
Obviously they need to be used with maps. However I have lost my 1:25,000 map (or was it maps?) of St Anton. Where can I buy replacement(s) from England?
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You know it makes sense.
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| GrahamN wrote: |
| Just today booked a course in St. Anton with www.snoworks.co.uk in Jan. Not been there before so looking forward to finding what it's all about. |
Back for more punishment from Phil and colleagues!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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GrahamN,
What week have you booked?. I've just booked on the 2nd week and will be staying in the Fauner.
Bod
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Poster: A snowHead
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rob@rar.org.uk, absolutely...last year in Gressoney was great. Would like to go back there too, but doubt I have the time.
BOD, aargh... in the Fauna too, but booked for w/b the 13th. Was wondering about the later week, but I've got other commitments then.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Thanks ski and DB,
I tried the Stanfords website and found the map I wanted but when I wanted to pay they said I had to have a type 4 or 5 browser (it seems I didn't). I waited on their phone for 40 minutes but couldn't get to the head of the queue (if they had one). Seems like one has to go in to order.
I couldn't find those 1:25,000 maps on the other site.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Seems there was a problem with the Stanfords website. They emailed me and I've ordered. 
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Anything Off=Piste/Back Country in the Arlberg just post here.
Its not necesary to pay fpr expensive Off-Piste guides
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Dear stanton, Well, I and a group of roughly SCGB-gold standard friends will be in St Anton with a guide (Graham Austick) in March for six days, but the two days before (sat/Sun 3 & 4 March) we shall be free skiing, mostly off-piste. We would be extremely happy to join up for a few runs, with your local "know-where", if you are around then. I have skied there twice before, but that is not really enough.
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snowball,
I,ll be in the US
I do not guide.
Graham Austick knows the area inside out. I think he has around 4-5 guides working for him nowadays.
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No, I didn't think you guided: what we shall do, pooling experience and a map, won't count as guiding either. Many of the steeper fields I would often play safe and not ski, when Graham would know if it was safe (or not) - so I'm not sure I agree that guides are unnecessary, especially if you are not familiar with the area. I am very wary of simply following a description of a route, even if I have a map.
However it might have been good to meet.
Yes, Graham is good (if expensive) and we have booked him personally for the week.
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Many of the steeper fields I would often play safe and not ski
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A good policy. If in doubt dont ski it .
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I am very wary of simply following a description of a route, even if I have a map.
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The best way of discovering these routes is to familiarise yourself with the area & hike them in the summer.
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