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Has anyone done an assessment at the Snow Centre (Hemel Hempstead) or Snow Zone (Milton Keynes) and scored a good mark?
Did you supplement with evidence filmed in a resort? We’re going to Les Menuires in February half term.
My child is a pretty decent skier - comfortable on many black runs, will certainly take on bigger jumps than me! Stopped ESF at bronze (ski school revolt) but has done dry ski slope lessons at Hillend in Edinburgh to their top level. Not a racer or anything like that.
I don’t know if that’s good enough to achieve a 9. Or whether you can evidence a 9 in an indoor snow centre.
Any advice gratefully received!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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My eldest daughter did skiing as one of her GCSE sports in Avoriaz in February half term 2 years ago. We booked a ski school we know well for some private lessons and they did all the filming. We sent them through the spec beforehand and they sorted it all out. She got 19/20 for it, so obviously did well, but I'm not sure how much she could have covered what she did in a dome. That's not to say you can't, I just don't have any experience of it sorry.
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I'm in the same situation with my eldest at the moment. HH do two options - one is just assisting with the filming process and providing the slalom gear for the gates test, one where they'll offer some tuition to guide Jnr through the process.
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We went through this last year. You have to film three different sports and having a snow based one originally sounded like a good idea but in the end was a total ball ache.
You will need to book early if you decide use one of the Snowdomes.
Our son just ended up being filmed at school playing football, tennis and badminton. So the couple of hundred on videos at the dome was a total waste of cash.
From what I understand 99% of the videos submitted aren't even watched. The exam board select a couple at random from cohort.
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My wife teaches GCSE and has done for years. Takes a trip each year and does loads of filming, making sure that certain sessions are set aside to show the different skills needed. If a pupil is going skiing but not with the school (ie. Family trip), she meets with parents/pupil at a convenient time to write down what skills needed to be filmed so they can be transferred afterwards to her. It works really well.
Last year, quite a few of her skiing ones were moderated, as were the year before and previous years before that; however no cricket ones were looked at last year. It depends what sport the exam board has a focus on each year as to whether that sport is selected. Individual sports are more frequently assessed through video where as team sports rarely are.
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When my son did his GCSE we filmed it ourselves in resort over xmas. Basically me with a selfie stick following him around and it was really good fun reviewing it in the evenings and checking what we had or didn't have. The only thing we didn't get enough was slalom racing so we managed to do that at Chill Factore in Manchester later where again I just filmed him whilst being out there together.
Never actually saw the finished submission as he edited it all together himself and got 20/20.
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There is a current thread about A-level PE qualifications for Skiing as a sport. It would be well worth you reading it.
The basic conclusion is to get an A-level of a decent grade. You need to be at nearly national team level.
Something that seems to sound like an easy option for an half decent skier, in reality looks like something very hard to achieve good results at.
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@rickboden, this is about GCSE skiing though, so not quite as difficult to sort.
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@rickboden, and you don’t need to be near national level. You do need to have good race experience and take part in a proper race. My son did a couple of the Eola races at Chill Factore for his A level. He’s not FIS registered, but has got years of racing experience.
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| rachelharrisonsmith wrote: |
| @rickboden, and you don’t need to be near national level. You do need to have good race experience and take part in a proper race. My son did a couple of the Eola races at Chill Factore for his A level. He’s not FIS registered, but has got years of racing experience. |
I do understand that this is GCSE just thought the information might be useful.
I think the A level thread would benefit from some more information if you have the time.
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Thanks all for the replies.
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@Dougie, - do you know which board your wife teaches? We are doing AQA. If the same, I wonder if she has a list of the skills to film that she might be willing to share? Our PE Dept doesn’t seem to have anything like this.
Thanks so much
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You know it makes sense.
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@Dougie, - do you know which board your wife teaches? We are doing AQA. If the same, I wonder if she has a list of the skills to film that she might be willing to share? Our PE Dept doesn’t seem to have anything like this.
Thanks so much
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Poster: A snowHead
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I take a school ski trip away every year and on a day when the weather is good, take them off with one of the instructors and a PE member of staff who does the filming.
I agree that it is a ball-ache, but we usually get reasonable results from it.
I also agree that children need to be very good to get a good grade if they progress to A' level. Only ever had one student get top marks and she, coincidentally was at the time the youngest ever BASI 1 and 2 instructor (Passing both on the respective birthday).
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@andmelffion, thanks, have looked at this but find it quite confusing.
Anyone able to explain what making “successful and effective tactical and strategic decisions, almost always fully relevant to an appropriate line being chosen” means. (To get a top score for part 2 which has to be a timed run around poles/cones)
I don’t find the descriptions very helpful in thinking what I would actually video. Is it just a case of skiing down increasingly difficult (steep/icy/etc) runs showing you can turn/traverse/stop. And then the timed runs at as fast a pace as you can do?
Anyone any idea if it’s better to try something really difficult which you can’t do faultlessly or to stick in your comfort zone where you are not making any mistakes?
Only likely to have one skiing holiday per year so don’t want to fail to record the critical footage!
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@Tootsiejules, we did it in an hour or so one morning whilst in Austria. We pretty much used the same piste for all the different skills. We then skied about a bit until we found some moguls to film on. Jnr had just finished a training camp so we had a day skiing together the following day. For the slalom, we put some of his training videos from that trip and a race he did in Hemel.
If you’re doing it throughout a holiday, maybe pick a couple of runs to film on every day and then just enjoy the rest of the day not worrying about it (unless they feel in the zone to film a bit more at some point). At the end of the week, choose the best footage of each skill.
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@Tootsiejules, Sorry for delayed reply. Wife was out when I read response and then forgot by the time she came home!
She uses the Edexcel scheme but assures me the skills are almost identical on the choice of individual skills. I have the AQA doc here and am trying to attach it as 3 photos….trying…
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Would any ski school be able to do the filming for the skiing part of a GCSE PE. Thinking it might be easier to just book my lad a private lesson or two to get it all sorted..
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Following this thread with interest. Son is Y9 so lots of GCSE options chat at the moment. He's most definitely doing PE and will be doing football and rugby. His PE teacher is on-board with the idea of skiing as his third.
I like the idea of paying a private instructor to get it done over a morning or two on our trip.
We would usually go to Les Arcs, but are open to change if there's a particular recommendation.
Thanks.
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My son (yr 10) chose GCSE PE (OCR) and I hope this was the right decision.. he broke his collarbone badly and had to have an operation in Dec with 12 weeks recovery before any high risk/ contact sport. He missed 3 weeks skiing in Dec... So, now I am worried how/ when he can train and record considering the seasonality of this sport. What do people do for competitive sports? Can this be done in the UK somewhere at all?
Considering taking him skiing indoors in the UK, so he can practise the technique. However, this will be rather flat.
He is also doing downhill biking (this is where he broke his collarbone).
Sometimes I wish we did not agree to this choice 
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My son's school allowed everyone to change the sports chosen at the last minute. They also put on several matches at school to make sure everyone had the chance to submit a video. We panicked a little but it was a non-event as he ended up just playing Tennis, Badminton and Football at school.
Though as mentioned all the Snowdomes have events on especially for GCSE videos.
Most of the videos go unwatched too...
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Sideways_jnr (who I should probably stop calling that as he is now taller than me :/) wants to clear this when we go to Val Thorens in April. My plan is to get a day or 2 half days with a 1-2-1 to brush up his skills which are probably a bit rusty then film... Any suggestions on who to get in contact with in VT?
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Just want to give a shoutout to the team at UltimateSki Tignes. My daughter is doing GCSE and they did the video work for her ski practical. The school have given us feedback on the ski assessment videos which Ultimate Ski did for us and they have been described as:
"They are actually all fantastic and......the commentary on them is brilliant and exactly what is needed to demonstrate to the moderator what skills are being attempted"
"probably some of the best skiing videos we have received independently from a student in recent years"
We have skied in Tignes since 2019 and the kids have skied with Ultimate for the whole time (excluding the 2 covid seasons). When we spoke to them about videoing for GCSE they were amazing at firstly wanting to do it and ensuring that everything which needed to be covered was covered. Yes we paid for 3 private afternoon lessons to get it done, but there was no extra charges for the video or the recording. They even condensed down the video's for us, getting rid of the false starts and falls.
It pays to find a good ski school and stick with them.
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Useful thread to know. My y9 daughter has just chosen gcse PE for one of her options.
They have to do 3 sports right? Can Duke of Edinburgh be used as one? Hill walking/orienteering? I’m sure I used that when I did it many moons ago.
She plays for Leeds rhinos pathway for netball so I’m sure she’ll get a reasonable mark on that one.
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Yeah 3 sports. Not sure about DoE. they have to have at least one team and one individual sport out of the 3. The hard part is the videoing. All the restrictions around images especially young people means you need to get permission etc in team sports. Helpful if the school can accommodate.
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@FrediKanoute, Some of her matches are already filmed in certain leagues she plays for in netball so that shouldn’t be too difficult.
I’m liking the suggestion of the ski school videoing. Though my husband doesn’t do a bad job with the go pro 
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DSqRdQoDXjv/?igsh=MXNxNXNvNG5wOG9r
^^ here is my weeun over Xmas
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You know it makes sense.
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I spent a chunk of the Christmas break prepping the footage for Jnrs submission. I was talking to him about the review process, and got the following...
His PE teacher reviews the videos and allocates a mark according to the marking schema. These, and the videos are then submitted to the marking review board. A sample of these are then reviewed to make sure that the teachers marking is on point with the schema and then either re-reviewed and adjusted or accepted.
I pity his PE teacher, as while the skiing evidence will weigh in at about 5 minutes, to fulfil the requirement for Cricket he has to submit continuously shot game of him playing, and as he keeps wicket, it's weighing in at about 1h45m which the teacher supposedly has to watch and grade. I may have to apologise at the parent-teacher evening...
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The whole PE assessment process is bonkers. The instructor when given the assessment criteria commented that some of the skills they want to assess are BASI level 4 and he wouldn't expect a 15/16 year old to be able to do some of these things.
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@FrediKanoute, well, yes and no... this is the AQA guidance...
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1. Basic turning – turning both ways using parallel or carved.
2. Stopping/parallel stop/skid to halt – stopping to the left and right.
3. Linked turns over distance – whole indoor snow zone run or outdoor run including narrow and
wide turns at different angles.
4. Traversing in both directions – different speeds/angles.
5. Skiing at speed – slalom through gates/round poles or moguls or tight turns.
Students should perform the core skills/techniques in increasingly demanding and progressive drills. Progressive drills may start with the skill in isolation but should aim to increase speed and incorporate further difficulty in gradient. This must not be in a fully competitive skiing run. Skills 1, 3 and 5 have options to allow the skier to choose what is appropriate to their ability or what is available to them.
Students should perform two timed runs on appropriately challenging slopes against the clock. These can be in an indoor snow zone around 10 poles or cones. Alternatively these could be outdoor around poles or cones or on suitable downhill runs. If outdoor, the colour of the run chosen should be appropriate to the level of ability of the performer.
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to get the best mark possible in the skills section, the student must...
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| The quality of technique is maintained for all skills and throughout all practices. When faced with speed and/or harder gradient, decision making in relation to when to perform the skill and at what angle is consistently effective. There are very few errors and the student is adaptive when faced with progressively challenging situations/speed/gradient. They almost always produce the intended results/accuracy. |
and for the slalom bit...
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| The student shows a high level of ability to make successful and effective tactical and strategic decisions, almost always fully relevant to an appropriate line being chosen. The student’s pace is highly effective, significant and sustained for almost all of the timed runs. The student maintains a high level of technique, accuracy and consistency in the performance of all skills even on the most challenging parts of the slope. The application of skill is fully appropriate to the position of the poles/gradient of the slope. The student demonstrates a high level of ability to select and apply the most appropriate skills and is usually successful in gaining excellent times, while hardly ever losing control. |
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| FrediKanoute wrote: |
Just want to give a shoutout to the team at UltimateSki Tignes. My daughter is doing GCSE and they did the video work for her ski practical. The school have given us feedback on the ski assessment videos which Ultimate Ski did for us and they have been described as:
"They are actually all fantastic and......the commentary on them is brilliant and exactly what is needed to demonstrate to the moderator what skills are being attempted"
"probably some of the best skiing videos we have received independently from a student in recent years"
We have skied in Tignes since 2019 and the kids have skied with Ultimate for the whole time (excluding the 2 covid seasons). When we spoke to them about videoing for GCSE they were amazing at firstly wanting to do it and ensuring that everything which needed to be covered was covered. Yes we paid for 3 private afternoon lessons to get it done, but there was no extra charges for the video or the recording. They even condensed down the video's for us, getting rid of the false starts and falls.
It pays to find a good ski school and stick with them. |
Yep, we've had the same experience, albeit a different ski school, whereby we used the ski school that we've always used for our kids and just sent them the spec (OCR) and they sorted it all out. Both our girls got top marks and the school commented on the quality of filming and commentary, which effectively narrated the videos to demonstrate the requirements being met. This was Freedom2Ski in Avoriaz, for those looking for a recommendation in that area.
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| FrediKanoute wrote: |
| The whole PE assessment process is bonkers. The instructor when given the assessment criteria commented that some of the skills they want to assess are BASI level 4 and he wouldn't expect a 15/16 year old to be able to do some of these things. |
I assessed a girl who was in the GB squad for her age group and had already won an international race. It was useful that the upper range of the marking framework allowed her to demonstrate extremely high levels of performance, particularly in the competitive element.
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I've looked at the requirements for sailing. They're a pretty high level and would in my view require someone to be sailing competitively on a regular basis. I wouldn't expect a "holiday sailor" (i.e. someone who's done a week or so a year of sailing on holiday) to do very well. If the skiing is set at a similar level (which it looks to be) I'd likewise not expect "holiday skiers" to do particularly well, with the possible exception if they've had a lot of technical instruction. I can't see bombing around for a week a year would cut it.
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| sugarmoma666 wrote: |
| I've looked at the requirements for sailing. They're a pretty high level and would in my view require someone to be sailing competitively on a regular basis. I wouldn't expect a "holiday sailor" (i.e. someone who's done a week or so a year of sailing on holiday) to do very well. If the skiing is set at a similar level (which it looks to be) I'd likewise not expect "holiday skiers" to do particularly well, with the possible exception if they've had a lot of technical instruction. I can't see bombing around for a week a year would cut it. |
Yes, that’s right. The marking scheme should be designed so that performance at just about all levels is assessed in a way that the candidate can demonstrate what they can do, rather than simply a long list of what they can’t do. Obviously a candidate who’s had just a couple of family holidays without much technical instruction is going to get significantly lower marks than a candidate who’s done lots of skiing, lots of high quality coaching and has competition experience. I think the marking framework for skiing allows for that broad range of performance to be assessed in that way, although the actual GCSE criteria are pretty dated and a bit restricting. There was a revision of the GCSE criteria a few years ago and I contacted the curriculum authority to offer to help with the revision of the skiing elements, but they weren’t interested.
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