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For some time I was thinking about making a discussion about the topic of teaching as an independent ski instructor. And honestly, there are so many points, we can talk about, but I tried to put the whole topic too a few simple points.
1, What is your opinion on ski instructors, who operate independently from ski schools?
2, Are you a ski instructor, and have you ever tried to work in such a way, not just under the ski school?
3, In terms of the law. If we speak about the EU, in many countries this profession is strictly regulated. But this regulation does really differ from country to country. For example, in Austria, you need to get Lv4 to be able to work independently (In Wienna Lv 3 is enough). But go just a few hundred kilometers to the north, and instructors from the Czech are not required to reach Lv4. In fact, the equivalent of between Lv 2 and 3 is needed. But because he gets permission to teach in his country and according to EU law, the permission should be transferable to each of the other countries of the EU, at least for some minimum time like 3 weeks/year. In the case of the USA, I heard it is not possible at all to teach independently. The ski regions hold their monopoly on teaching. Is that true?4, In terms of ski regions.
4, Do ski regions have some contracts with the local ski schools, that only they can make business on their slopes? Or anybody, who can legally teach according to the local country law can go there with the client and teach? (If they buy their ski pass of course) As I was on Kitschteinhorn, I saw many kinds of instructors followed by their clients, or small groups of clients. And they were from many countries, not just Austria. This made me think. Wait a moment. Really can instructors from any EU country come here and teach their small groups on their holiday like this?
5, Nowadays, the wages of ski instructor in many countries does not reflect the amount of time, money, and effort you need to make to become at least Lv3, not mentioned Lv4. As I am observing the industry for some time, I understand that the way of becoming a "ski instructor entrepreneur" will be probably the way to go for many instructors, who do not want to put thousands of €, time, and effort into their education and then get lower wages than waiters in apres ski. (I really have nothing against waiters. Just example.). But it seems to me the regulations try to avoid this scenario at all costs. But, I even saw a commercial on Facebook for an app where you can book your independent ski instructor. So it should be somehow possible, to work like that, if I am not mistaken?
I will gladly hear your opinions 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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The Facebook advert is a scam. I tried it just to see. It offered me a 2 hour lesson in our village for something like CHF40, which is ridiculously low.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Is the app we're talking about maison sport? If so, it's not a scam, although there may be people on there trying to scam of course, I don't know the mechanics of the app.
I did an IASI course back in September and the trainer on the course runs his own race coach company, but when he doesn't have courses running, uses maison sport to advertise his services as an instructor.
In the UK, you're allowed to teach indoors at Hemel, and presumably Chill Factore as it's the same parent company (don't know about about the others) as an independent once you're a L3 instructor. There's a yearly fee you pay to the centre, and can then teach unlimited amounts.
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In general to teach independently you need the highest qualification within the country where you're wanting to work. Mostly within Europe they recognise each others' certificates, to a degree, but you may still need to do a conversion course to get the local ticket before you're legal to work on your own, although in some countries, coming from some other countries, it may be granted on application without any conversion necessary.
No, ski regions don't limit instructing to local ski schools. But anyone working independently must be prepared for the locals to report them and get them inspected for proper qualifications.
Yes, wages for instructors in Ski Schools are crap, which is why I would never do it full time. Of course if you are able to work independently you would be able to both undercut the Ski School prices and keep a higher amount yourself, but in practice it's not half as simple as that, which is why so many properly-qualified still prefer to work within an established ski school. And bear in mind, of course, that they get paid considerably more than the part-qualified instructors.
Haven't seen the FB ad (I don't do FB) but yes, that sort of quote has to be a scam of some sort.
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@Martin7125, to answer a couple of your questions:
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They are fantastic!!! (which will be explained by my next answer  )
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2, Are you a ski instructor, and have you ever tried to work in such a way, not just under the ski school?
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I have been working as an independant for going on 17 years now (18 this winter), following 9/10 seasons working for ski schools in various different parts of the world.
As you state, depending on country / region etc there are different requirements to be able to work legally as an independant (insert sound of can of worms opening here...!).
On your point in Q5, yes, for many countries, and with many ski schools the wages do not necessarily reflect the investment put into getting qualified, but this can be down to several factors: 1. ski instructing not being seen as a 'proper' job, 2. corporations/companies 'screwing' the workers, 3. clients not being prepared to pay enough to give the worker a realistic hourly rate.
In my experience probably the biggest disparity I saw in hourly rate vs cost charged to client by the ski school was in the US - I can't remember the numbers any more (this was last century...) but it was mind-boggling.
In simplistic terms the trade-off between ski school & independant is this:
Work for a ski school: turn up in the morning, do your job until it is time to finish, then you can switch off and forget about everything until tomorrow.
Work for yourself: turn up in the morning, do your job until it is time to finish on the slopes, now go home and answer emails, send invoices, chase up invoices, plan, advertise etc etc etc
All gross generalisation of course, and to flip things the other way, typically work for a ski school = not so much flexibility in choosing your work/clients, while working for yourself you can decide who/how/when you want to work.
There seems to be an ever-growing number of web-based apps (maison sport, skibro "bro!", find a guide etc etc etc) - have never used them myself so can't comment on them from a 'vendor' perspective.
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| offpisteskiing wrote: |
@Martin7125, to answer a couple of your questions:
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They are fantastic!!! (which will be explained by my next answer )
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2, Are you a ski instructor, and have you ever tried to work in such a way, not just under the ski school?
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I have been working as an independant for going on 17 years now (18 this winter), following 9/10 seasons working for ski schools in various different parts of the world.
As you state, depending on country / region etc there are different requirements to be able to work legally as an independant (insert sound of can of worms opening here...!).
On your point in Q5, yes, for many countries, and with many ski schools the wages do not necessarily reflect the investment put into getting qualified, but this can be down to several factors: 1. ski instructing not being seen as a 'proper' job, 2. corporations/companies 'screwing' the workers, 3. clients not being prepared to pay enough to give the worker a realistic hourly rate.
In my experience probably the biggest disparity I saw in hourly rate vs cost charged to client by the ski school was in the US - I can't remember the numbers any more (this was last century...) but it was mind-boggling.
In simplistic terms the trade-off between ski school & independant is this:
Work for a ski school: turn up in the morning, do your job until it is time to finish, then you can switch off and forget about everything until tomorrow.
Work for yourself: turn up in the morning, do your job until it is time to finish on the slopes, now go home and answer emails, send invoices, chase up invoices, plan, advertise etc etc etc
All gross generalisation of course, and to flip things the other way, typically work for a ski school = not so much flexibility in choosing your work/clients, while working for yourself you can decide who/how/when you want to work.
There seems to be an ever-growing number of web-based apps (maison sport, skibro "bro!", find a guide etc etc etc) - have never used them myself so can't comment on them from a 'vendor' perspective. |
Thank you for the nice reply.
I can imagine the difference between working for a ski school and working independently. I am a part-time job PGA coach in the golf industry. And I can imagine this is very similar to a ski instructor who works independently from a ski school.
Why did I ask the question in the first place? I also work in the ski industry as an instructor. My journey became 6 years ago. And I also have been skiing many for many seasons before I attempted to try my Lv1 course. (I was not a great skier but it was more than enough for Lv1 back then).
Right now I reached the level of being able to teach on my own. But just in my home country, where the regulations of the ski industry are much more benevolent. But still, it is a few weeks ago I start my business company (at first just for my own needs). And I can legally call this company a ski school too because I have the right to teach the clients skiing on my own.
But it gets a bit tricky. I wanted to become better and gain higher status at the national ski instructor level. For two reasons. I want to offer my future clients quality service. And as I am for those 6 years in the ski industry I can openly say, I even feel a bit embarrassed about such low regulations for ski instructors in the country I live in. But it is how it is. I am going to finish my Lv3 (Landeslehrer 2 to be specific, I have switched to the Austria system) the next season.
A few clients from the low number I have been already teaching in my hometown asked me about the possibility of put a group together and make a nice holiday with a ski instructor (me) somewhere in Austrian Alps. And that is the main reason for even beginning this topic. According to EU law, I should be able to teach my own clients in any other state of the EU if I can legally teach them here, at home. All business rights are transferable between states of the EU. (Unfortunately, my home license is very hardly transferable to international space) But still, I am a bit nervous that it can get wrong somehow. After all, I do not hold my Lv4 diploma. To be honest, not even finished full international Lv3 yet. Maybe some guys from the local ski school will spot it and they will not like it... I don t know honesty but I am a bit nervous.
The second point why I created this topic was my hunger for a better understanding of how teaching skiing as an independent instructor looks in different countries. Because one thing is the state law. But to be honest, this would be really a mess, because for example in Austria there is a different law for teaching skiing in each state in the country. So I wanted to better understand perhaps, how it really looks like in praxis, not in theory defined by the law book. Right now I am not afraid to say I understand this topic more than the average ski instructor but, to be honest, it is still confusing even after reading so many forums, information, and law books from different states.
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| Martin7125 wrote: |
| A few clients from the low number I have been already teaching in my hometown asked me about the possibility of put a group together and make a nice holiday with a ski instructor (me) somewhere in Austrian Alps. And that is the main reason for even beginning this topic. According to EU law, I should be able to teach my own clients in any other state of the EU if I can legally teach them here, at home. All business rights are transferable between states of the EU. |
You are quite right. Rob.rar of this forum is something of an expert on this but you are entitled to provide your services into another EU member state. In general if you bring your own clients and don't stay too long (<3 weeks) there is not an issue but you may need to make a declaration to the local authorities. You can even do this into highly restrictive France.
In France since the Simon Butler case a note has been sent to the prefects to be very careful prosecuting EU nationals working as ski instructors wrt to qualifications. The problem the French have is they only have one level of qualification and the EU directive says that anyone with one level below the top level can work... which means (as the govt official warns) a L1 can work in France if their home association will authorize them to work abroad and that "any court case is likely to fail". But that is of little interest to your situation.
In your case:
The Tirol welcomes visiting ski schools bringing their own clients. There is an online application form for level 2, level 3 or level 4 instructors. No more than 28 days per calendar year is allowed, and no more than 14 days for any one visit. Instructors must have liability insurance. They must also have sufficient German knowledge to ensure the safety of their guests and be entitled to carry out their profession independently.
Max number of guests is 12. Instructor must carry a first aid kit. Must be paid the same as local instructors.
Vorarlberg region will let you do 30 days as an L3 with no other constraints.
As a general rule though (as you found out)
You can provide services if you currently operate in another EU country. You need to show you are operating legally in another EU country (Proof of legal establishment), this would be your professional qualification plus something like a tax number. You will need insurance. Note, if the profession is unregulated (by law) in your home state you need 2 years full time practice (3 years if your qualification is not from an EU state). Italy take 2 years to mean 2 seasons for a ski instructor.
So for Austria I would head to a region that is less restrictive and make sure I do any required declarations.
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Certified in the Canadian system (CSIA) at Kicking Horse, BC (Level 1); Lake Louise, AB (Level 2); attended the Level 3 course & exam at Panorama, BC but failed.
Worked for Vail at Keystone in Kid's ski school and got my PSIA Levels 1 & 2. Was training towards my PSIA Level 3.
Had the opportunity to work for Niseko Base Snowsports (NBS) an off shoot of Ski Japan in Niseko, Hokkaido so took it.
Worked for the ski school for 2 winters doing group lessons primarily in my first winter and private lessons in my second winter.
My customers wanted me to teach the whole family (or group) together, regardless of age and ability but NBS weren't interested in offering that product.
So I went out on my own.
I was the first to offer this product/service in the Niseko Resort Area.
Now all companies offer it.
Able to work independently in Japan as long as you are certified; have insurance; and can get a company to sponsor you for the visa (1-year Skilled Labour).
I have complete autonomy and flexibility and get all the money earned (less taxes)
But for that my typical day starts at 7am clearing off the van and driving to my customers' accommodation
Driving my customers to the resort
Teaching them all day
Driving them home
Most nights driving and accompanying them to dinner
Every couple of days helping them with shopping
Most nights joining them for drinks
If I'm ill, I don't get paid
If the weather is rubbish and my customers choose not to ski, I don't get paid
Very happy with what I've created and returning for my 12th winter
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| davidof wrote: |
In France since the Simon Butler case a note has been sent to the prefects to be very careful prosecuting EU nationals working as ski instructors wrt to qualifications.....will authorize them to work abroad and that "any court case is likely to fail". |
That's interesting to read. I have heard anecdotally from a few L3's who were controlled by the police, had their papers checked and then told to have a nice day after checking with their superiors... I didn't know of any official notes..
@Martin7125 Although a bit dated there was an easy to read user guide published by the EU which may help you. Specifically the section on Temporary Provision of Services
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I find this an interesting thread, having used several independent ski instructors, including Rob and Scott of "Inside Out Skiing". I am also a sailor and, over the years, done the RYA sailing courses with "independent" cruiser sailing instructors with the top level of qualification.
The lifestyle is similar. It's very hard work, carries big responsibilities and liabilities, requires high levels of knowledge and experience. Invariably they do it for love, not money. They can also supplement income, when things are quiet, with yacht deliveries - often being asked to "deliver" poorly maintained and equipped yachts on tricky passages. For not a lot of money.
However, the thing is, as a "customer", you know that your instructor is doing it for love, not money. And to be successful at that they need to be good communicators. And invariably somebody who loves what they do, and communicates well, is a joy to spend time with. If they're grouchy and moany and curt, they are not going to succeed, however technically able they are!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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In France, as previously mentioned, you are not considered qualified until 'National' level = Level 4. There was an agreement between Italy, France, Austria and UK that we would all accept Level 4 from each country. Sadly the 'negotiators' of Brexit refused to agree to Brits being part of this. Thus, those of us who've been working in France for a long time, have Level 4 (or BASI 1 old money) and a certificate of Equivalence are eligible for a Carte Professionale. with this we can work alone, with a ski school or as part of a group.
As previously mentioned, if you are bringing your own clients and as part of a club, you can teach for a limited time in most resorts.
In practise, I've never been controlled out of school holiday times, and recently haven't been controlled at all as the inspectors all know who I am! I do carry my Carte Pro though.
So, while there are differences in other countries, it's just best to check it out, either if you're looking for lessons, or if you want to teach indpendently.
It's really sad for the British youngsters now that they won't have the chance to actually moven to another EU country and settle and work there without having to take the exams in that country. 
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@EasiskiLDA, nice to see you round here again!
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You know it makes sense.
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Hello everyone, my name is Luciano, and I have the privilege of being a ski instructor with 17 years of experience. I hold level 3 certification from AADIDESS (Argentine Association of Ski Instructors) and the ISIA card. Additionally, I have a diverse profile as a UX-Architect, which allows me to approach teaching and customer experience from an innovative perspective.
Throughout my career, I have had the opportunity to work in various ski destinations, including Argentina, Andorra, Japan, and now Canada. However, I would like to highlight a crucial aspect facing our industry.
In Argentina, Cerro Catedral is the only ski resort that allows instructors to work independently. This opportunity is exclusively reserved for those with level 3 certification or a degree in physical education with a focus on mountain sports, thanks to its municipal status. In other ski resorts, this possibility is restricted.
In Canada, the situation is similar: there are few ski resorts that permit independent work. Many of those that do impose exorbitant fees and insurance requirements, further limiting our ability to act as independent professionals.
In a world where the trend is toward independence and collaboration across all sectors, the ski industry seems to be moving in the opposite direction. I understand that managing a ski resort is a considerable challenge, but if independence were allowed for instructors, not only would they diversify their offerings, but they would also attract more skiers, resulting in a significant increase in revenue.
I have been advocating for this change in Argentina, although reaching an agreement with those who have been in the industry for a long time has not been easy. I have presented projects that incorporate technology, such as a platform that would allow instructors to track their students and work at any ski resort. However, the fear of change persists in an industry that seems to cling to outdated methods.
I firmly believe that we need to open a discussion about the possibility of independent work in the ski world, and we should be the instructors who set the guidelines. Furthermore, it is essential to regulate this work through technology, using blockchain and artificial intelligence to ensure transparency and efficiency.
Thank you, ChatGPT, for helping me express my ideas in Englis
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@luchoc84, I imagine the reason behind your experience is that resorts particularly in North America are owned by companies, so they therefore control all the ski schools, hire shops, restaurants etc.
Whereas over here in Europe, the resorts are run by the local village/town councils, and they don't own the land that the slopes are on. Therefore they can't control who is or isn't allowed to teach.
In Austria, you require the Mayor's permission to teach in the area you want to teach, but, as long as you've got the required qualifications then you're good to go.
The rules do change from country to country and internally within countries. For example, I believe you can teach in Vorarlberg with the Austrian Landeslehrer qualification, basically a L3, whereas here in Tirol you need the Staatlich geprüfter, the equivalent of L4.
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@swskier, "basically a L3, whereas here in Tirol you need the Staatlich geprüfter, the equivalent of L4."
Is that new ? I used to teach in Tirol with L3 but stopped when they mandated that you had to be under the supervision of an L4 on the hill. Pretty sure a few people still work as L3. An L3 mate is going out with a group next month and would be good to get the latest info so I can pass on.
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@skimottaret, that's the info I had from Jonny Seale. I was messaging him about a few things. I had previously understood you needed the Skiführer qualification to work independently but this info is different to that.
My understanding though, is, if you bring a group over from the UK to Austria, then you can teach them as a L3.
There's different rules for us residents vs those coming over here on a week long trip.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Thanks good to know
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Interesting topic
I am a ski instructor who worked for a school, then went independent with my mate and now have schools in various resorts across France and Switzerland. In both it is possible to go independent and over the last few years there have been various new businesses looking to disrupt and encourage an independent movement. The main selling point of these is earn more, set your own prices and don't let a ski school take any of the sale price. It sounds incredibly appealing but perhaps isn't the reality for a lot that try. Mainly because it neglects the fact that the ski school is not pocketing the full margin but it goes into many of the services the instructor receives from the school, which has a value.
It has been really interesting to see how the 'independent' platform model has evolved from it being free to use the platform and a very small % being taken from the instructors side, to now where the booking fee is increasing for the customers along with the % taken from the instructor taking it close to that of ski schools margin, if not the same. Some are now also asking for a subscription to be on the platform and I guess that is inevitable to get to a point in which you can run a sustainable business.
As a result of the increase of instructors going independent and the additional fees, you are now seeing the advertised prices of instructors on the platforms decreasing from over 100 an hour to 70/80. This makes sense as they compete against each other but also to be competitively priced with the ski schools when you include the platforms booking fees, which are added onto the clients side. When you factor in the fees and the current advertised prices the instructors take home rate is no longer drastically different to working for a school that pays 65 per hour. You also then need to factor in time managing your own clients, uniforms, liftpasses etc that a school manages for the instructor. If you don't use the platforms or receive enough work then you have to factor in down time not teaching along with marketing costs, websites, booking software, time building chalet/tour op relationships and commissions.
I think being independent works for some instructors who live in resort year round, have a strong client base and relationships with other local companies who can provide them with work commission free. For those travelling into resort (In France/Switzerland) it's often less lucrative with more work/risks involved. It is probably only worth the effort if the intention is to grow a brand and then have other instructors work with you to absorb a lot of the extra cost and work, although that then comes with its own challenges when scaling to make it viable.
I have looked at various models this summer from traditional ski schools, to collectives where the instructors keep a higher hourly wage but pay a contribution to overheads, to independents using platforms. However you do it, apart from the independent with no real overheads and returning customers it generally works out much a muchness. Which makes sense as all the additional cost and time that goes in off of the mountain has to come from the lesson price.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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For anyone who is interested this is a review of the situation in France including all the recent court cases. It doesn't include people who have successfully applied for their carte pro without involving the court system
https://pistehors.com/ZXyMdo8B1g7SdbHcE-l7/i-fought-the-law-but-the-law-won
Basically, post Simon Butler, the French authorities have taken prosecutions more seriously and anyone thinking of using the court system to validate their qualifications needs to get some advice whether it is worthwhile and put a serious amount of effort into the process. Without the CTT (mountain safety and slalom) you need to show a substantial amount of time spent working at the highest level or one below that level as a ski instructor and there are some real gotchas in the process.
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My experience is independant/small business ski instructors are higher quality on average than the big ski schools (though often you are paying for it).
But this is because a huge chunk of their business is from word of mouth or repeat users. If they weren't good they wouldn't be being recommended or reused so wouldn't survive as independants
This probably does also have some cherrypicking (Recommendations coming from people I know/trust and who have similar wants/opinions/attitudes to me so work well with (and therefore recommend me) instructors with similar styles).
2. Not an instructor;
3. Outside of my knowledge
4. Right to roam laws in most of europe make restricting access to instructors almost impossible; They can limit instruction under consumer rights/safety laws generally, but the lift companies have little to do with that. In the USA your right to go on the mountain is based on permission from the land owner (ok, sometimes its a national park so permission is from the government, but still that is permission); So in the US they can make that permission conditional on having a lift pass and not instructing without the owners (lift companies) permission.
5. Similar to several other industries, they are reliant on new people coming in for a 'lifestyle' (Yay, I can be paid to ski everyday) rather than competitive/sane working conditions;
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This is a very interesting post with excellent references from davidof to check out.
Normally, having been working in LDA for 31 years now (9 in a ski school and independent since then), I've not experienced very much aggravation at all. Of course I have my official equivalence and Carte Pro. However last winter, for the first time in many years, a new-ish instructor with my old school accused me of not being qualified. To say I was furious is an understatement!! Naturally I reported him to the school and friends of mine I used to work with there. So that just shows that even after so many years you can get idiots who don't think other nationals should be teaching on 'their' slopes!! NB: I live here - he doesn't!!!
So the point being asked is about taking your own clients abroad - yes, you can. You're a club, you're bring the clients to resort, so it's OK. Having said that it's polite to stop in the big schools and tell them that you're here and will only be teaching your own clients. Last year we had british forces here teaching their own peeps, and the ESF was incandescent, so I approached the CO and suggested they bother to go and explain to the ESF in particular. Just polite. The answer was typical british exceptionalism I'm afraid. 
Now, I'm gearing up for my last season, and will take my carte pro to the ESI in the beginning to stop the same thing happening again.
WRT pay - private lessons sound expensive, and many don't take them up because of this which is OK, and the best thing about being independent is that you can teach who you like, how you like!
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@EasiskiLDA, last season? Hope it is a good one and happy retirement 
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@EasiskiLDA, I think there are separate rules for armed forces groups, France is signed up for them by being a member of NATO.
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Yes, armed forces are allowed, but they just arrived en masse and started teaching. It's just polite (especially after brexit) to let the locals know.
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| EasiskiLDA wrote: |
| Yes, armed forces are allowed, but they just arrived en masse and started teaching. It's just polite (especially after brexit) to let the locals know. |
The Marie yes. Do you know if they weren't informed? Id would have thought all this would have to be signed off by the French authorities
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I have no idea, but the Mairie don't give a sh*t anyway. If I was the CO I'd have gone to the ESF/ESI and ESS just to say we were there. None of us on the hill were aware of what was going on until I actually stopped my lesson and asked one of their instructors.
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| @EasiskiLDA, last season? Hope it is a good one and happy retirement |
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Just to be straight about it. I'm 72 now, and my carte pro runs out at the end of this season, so I don't think it's worth my while renewing it for another 5 years! I expect to continue to continue skiing with friends and some others!!
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Poster: A snowHead
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Happy retirement when it comes @EasiskiLDA
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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[quote="Martin7125"] @Martin7125 Hello there! I'm a ski instructor from Cervinia and I'm happpy to answer your questions.
2, Are you a ski instructor, and have you ever tried to work in such a way, not just under the ski school? I'm a ski instructor since 2014, I've worked with a ski school for 10 years and now for the first season I'll be an indipendent teacher.
3, In terms of the law. If we speak about the EU, in many countries this profession is strictly regulated. In Italy when we become instructors we have the highest level, so no issues under this point of view, to be indipendet you just need to have a personal VAT number (it's just something about financial stuff).
4, Do ski regions have some contracts with the local ski schools, that only they can make business on their slopes? Or anybody, who can legally teach according to the local country law can go there with the client and teach? in order to be able to teach every day in Italy (as all instructors have the highest level) you need to follow italian rules, have the Eurotest and pass other exams. if you wanna come and teach every now and then you need to ask permission to our association and a local ski school, if they allow it foreigner instructors can come and teach but for very small period of time.
5, Nowadays, the wages of ski instructor in many countries does not reflect the amount of time, money, and effort you need to make to become at least Lv3, not mentioned Lv4. As I am observing the industry for some time, I understand that the way of becoming a "ski instructor entrepreneur" will be probably the way to go for many instructors, who do not want to put thousands of €, time, and effort into their education and then get lower wages than waiters in apres ski. (I really have nothing against waiters. Just example.). But it seems to me the regulations try to avoid this scenario at all costs. But, I even saw a commercial on Facebook for an app where you can book your independent ski instructor. So it should be somehow possible, to work like that, if I am not mistaken?
Not 100% sure what you mean, however in my case, I've been skiing since forever and have done ski competitions, I became instructor when I was 18 and the ski course in Italy (in Aosta Valley region) wasn't expensive... Anyhow in Italy if you become instructor here you can totally be an indipendent instructor adverstising yourself as you wish!
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