 Poster: A snowHead
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Recommend a multi-turn / cheater GS ski.
Requirements:
- 70-75mm (ish) under foot.
- ~15m medium turn radius (not a SL or GS)
- Ideally longer length (178cm-180cm)
- Ski with a bit of energy / rebound
Basically a fun-piste / ski instructor type ski. As opposed to full race model.
Something that can be used for cruising piste's & skiing with the kids.
Was looking at Salomon s/race-8 or Atomic X7.
Both available at a decent price via the standard Amer sports deal.
Only concern is that longest length of the Atomic is 176cm (and I am 6ft3 / 86kg).
Thoughts appreciated.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Salomon Addikt - although only 177cm. Waist 72mm - 15m radius.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Head e-Speed. I am 6'2" (90+kg) and ski the 177's with no problems.
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Got me a Dynastar Master 183, I scream with pleasure on it. I'm 173cm, 70KG.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I quite like my Head iWhicheverTheGreenOnesAre for cruising about on a more solid piste. Don't need to drive the things all the time but good fun when you push them a bit more
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I got a pair of Blizzard Firebird HRC WC Piston Plate with Marker Xcomp 16 GW Master binders in a 182 long 17 Radius and 76 underfoot. Really love em as a step down from the Masters GS skis which are now very much piste only ski to me and hard on the body in bumps and tough to manage in soft snow.. sweet all rounder/teaching skis with the added bonus of the WC race plate + binders come out zero delta. These replaced my SpeedZone 14's which I really liked but had given up the ghost. The binders can be used with Alpine or Gripwalk soles which is unusual to find and nice to be able to use with both my touring and race boots
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@Haggis_Trap, I'm glad the X7 is on your list.
I'm particular fond of that model and I've rented them a few times from the Oxalys Hotel in Val Thorens.
I've only used them at 152 & 158cm though I'm 5'10" and 82kg.
If I could get a pair cheap I'd use them in the fridge.
I think the do a WB version at 82mm ish.
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Any of the head supershape models.
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Fisher Curv Ti, 68 underfoot, 13m, so much fun - (They also do some wider curvs) - great price, grip, stability, quick, forgiving should you sit back on your heels - I see many instructors on them. my go to fun piste ski the last few seasons.
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Thanks for recommendation all!
Keep the thoughts coming
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Dynastar Speed 763 - which I believe is a re-badged SpeedZone 12Ti...comes in a 182 (16m radius) and a 174 (15m).
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I have 2 pairs in this category:
Dynastar Master GS ski but that's a R19m in a 175, also a pair of Rossignol Master Hero which are R18m in a 175.
The Head Worldcup Rebels e-Race Pro Ski is pretty much bang on what you want. R15.8m in a 175 or R16.8m in a 180.
These are all classic instructor skis. Others are obviously out there too.
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Zoenini
Zoenini
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Does anyone here know something that rides good on 100+ kg's?
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You know it makes sense.
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@Zoenini, currently sitting around 100kg (diet in progress) and the Dynastar Master GS ski but that's a R19m in a 175, also a pair of Rossignol Master Hero which are R18m in a 175 I mentioned above are both great.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Zoenini, If you want to do anything off the sides of the pistes or in variable snow 75-80mm plus waist will help (as a fellow 100kg skier  )
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Old Fartbag wrote: |
| Dynastar Speed 763 - which I believe is a re-badged SpeedZone 12Ti...comes in a 182 (16m radius) and a 174 (15m). |
No a completely different ski, different geometry and sadly only available with a rail type binding, no race plate option as the SpeedZone series had.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| .... sadly only available with a rail type binding |
^ Oddly a rail binding is ideal for flying (remove bindings if travelling with more than one pair of skis). But definitely much more play than a fixed mounting
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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more play for sure but for me a deal breaker as I like to shim skis to zero delta... really difficult if not impossible to do on most rail systems.. I personally wont ski on rail binders after breaking 5 or so pairs over the years either by pulling screws out or the breaking the toe pieces.. A race binding is a lot lot stronger and stiffer, well worth the extra dough in my mind and reduces injuries with a small weight penalty..
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@skimottaret, and the “weight penalty” doesn’t really make any difference on the snow
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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for sure,
HT , I would also add Stockli Montero AX and the Kastle MX series into the mix but higher dollar. Im guessing you are looking at BASI deal skis as mention Amer.. Ive got some MX for telemarking, beautiful skis but wasted tech with my poor tele skills  Tested the Monteros in Tux and liked em but pricey...
Havent been on a pair but a few guys I know like the Nordica Doberman spitfires
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| Old Fartbag wrote: |
| Dynastar Speed 763 - which I believe is a re-badged SpeedZone 12Ti...comes in a 182 (16m radius) and a 174 (15m). |
No a completely different ski, different geometry and sadly only available with a rail type binding, no race plate option as the SpeedZone series had. |
Apologies if I was misleading....as it used to be the same: https://skikitinfo.com/whats-new/2122/dynastar-s-line-skis/
It says this about the Speed 763 (21/22 season): "This is the Speedzone 12 Ti of last season but with a new name and graphic. The build is unchanged, but we think it looks a ton better in the race range inspired red and blue graphic. As it’s a Speedzone piste ski, really, it has Powerdrive running along the sides of the ski."
In the current one, it looks like the lengths and turn radius for those lengths have remained the same, but the sidecut has widened a bit (121-72-106 -> 124-75-109). If the construction has changed, I don't know by how much, but would expect it to be very similar, if not improved.
https://www.dynastar-lange.com/gb-en/men%27s-on-piste-skis-speed-763-xpress-DAMZ201000.html
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They are wrong... as you say dimensions are different. It is a replacement for the SpeedZone not a relabelled version. Decent ski but again not available with a race plate option.
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| They are wrong... as you say dimensions are different. It is a replacement for the SpeedZone not a relabelled version. Decent ski but again not available with a race plate option. |
IIRC. The dimensions were the same as the SZ 12 for the 21/22 season, but that was 2 years ago - so Dynastar has tweaked the sidecut to make it a little wider, while retaining the lengths and radius of the older SZ 12 range.
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Don't want to argue, I just pointed out that the latest version aren't the same skis and you got that wrong and believed were just a rebadged version. The current 763 ski quite differently to the old SpeedZones, I know because I tried a pair out when looking to change my daily drivers.
Always a good idea when suggesting skis to someone to have actually skied on a pair as online reviews aren't always accurate or relevant to the skier in question ..
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| skimottaret wrote: |
Don't want to argue, I just pointed out that the latest version aren't the same skis and you got that wrong and believed were just a rebadged version. The current 763 ski quite differently to the old SpeedZones, I know because I tried a pair out when looking to change my daily drivers.
Always a good idea when suggesting skis to someone to have actually skied on a pair as online reviews aren't always accurate or relevant to the skier in question .. |
I don't want to argue either - just understand - and if possible help HT.
I own the SZ 12 - but have not skied any version of the 763, so as you say, don't have a direct comparison. The article I linked to was written by Al Morgan, so would expect it to be correct at the time of writing....but things have obviously changed since then.
I still think the ski is worth considering....unless by skiing differently, you mean skiing worse. You had the SZ 14s ie. without the rail binding, which would have seen a considerable uplift in performance over the 12s.
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| skimottaret wrote: |
Don't want to argue, I just pointed out that the latest version aren't the same skis and you got that wrong and believed were just a rebadged version. The current 763 ski quite differently to the old SpeedZones, I know because I tried a pair out when looking to change my daily drivers.
Always a good idea when suggesting skis to someone to have actually skied on a pair as online reviews aren't always accurate or relevant to the skier in question .. |
Or always shimmed to 0° arguably therefore not the same experience.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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again, my reply would be simple, pick a brand, and buy their master in the right length, essentially, or there abouts the idea is that you ski a GS length with a SL sidecut, the net result is amazing. Whether it be Rossi/Dynastar, Salomon/Atomic, Nordica/Blizzard or Voelkl, Fischer, Head, or the beautiful Stoelkl, none of these ski will provide you with anything other than fantastic fun. In my experience once running there's so little difference between them you can pick them. by colour/price. And yes i've tested them, pretty much all of them, multiple times, it's my current bag, given my days are spent chasing the grom through gates. That said, worst day of my life on skis hooning around the piste on them in slushy chop and bumps at the end of the season. That's for 110mm Twins.
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You know it makes sense.
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@swskier, I skied that uber long run at Alpes d'heuz end of April, something i'll not want to repeat. I do see a few ski skis like this for "Freeskiing" just don't get it, there's a few on here, DM is one that revels in it. My kid is forced to do it. I wish i could, that day would have been saved.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@Haggis_Trap, I fear they're just rebadged punter skis.
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| under a new name wrote: |
| @Haggis_Trap, I fear they're just rebadged punter skis. |
Curious as to what qualifies as a 'Punter Ski'? Surely anything which isn't FIS spec qualifies? In which case, it's a bit meaningless.
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@Klamm Franzer, poor phrasing on @Haggis_Trap and my parts.
Neither especially challenging nor rewarding would be a better description perhaps.
In my limited experience, as I avoid them for this very reason, I find most non-FIS Salomons a bit uninspiring.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Whereas I have a very beaten up, old set of Salomon X-Race, which are really very versatile. Stiff enough for good turns, but far more versatile in the same 165cm length as my Atomic S9s, which are a consumer, sorry "punter", SL ski.
The term "punter ski" really is meaningless, not to mention weirdly snobby. Half the skiers I see sliding around on their unsuitable aggressive skis need tuition, not a stiffer ski. They'd have a better time, if they were less worried about marketing guff.
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I have basically the same requirements of the new skis that I am looking for.
I’ve skied the Atomic S9 extensively over the last 10 years (renting the latest version each year from Austrian resort shop) and then skied the Elan Amphibio last year and enjoyed the slightly wider skate (76mm vs 68mm) and the wider radius (14,6 vs 13).
Where did you land on your decision?
I’m torn between S/Race 10 and Atomic S or X range to be honest. If I can’t decide I might pick up something secondhand cheap and cheerful to get me started this season coming.
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I'm 58, 90kg. I ski 4 weeks a year for what feels like forever. I'm a pretty tidy carver. I've been on Head Magnums going back to the original white and greens. I've loved them. They've been fantastic, but as the years creep in, I thought that I'd try something a little less taxing on the pins for short radius turns, crud and bumps. It's been a worm hole nightmare. Online reviews are so contradictory and manufacturers tell you what you want to hear.
I've gone for a pair of Head V5 Shapes, effectively softer, detuned Magnums. A pair of Nordica Spitfire TIs and I'll be taking my '23 Magnums. I'll try the lot and then decide.
My own personal 'shoot out'. 
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