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Since ive started riding back in 2022 ive always had some form of feet pain.
Initially i started with hire boots but they were always too loose so I ended up getting my own pair of Northwave Freedom which have served me for 2 years but they have some issues.
This year I put in some insoles that I also use in my walking boots and they helped but still could not resolve issue with heel lift and cranking down more and more caused other issues.
I was able to get a set of Burton Imperials (just before they renamed to Photon) which were literally not used and cheap. I tried with my inserts and found it to be even more painful but on the flip side the heel lift was pretty much gone.
I returned to the stock burton inserts and it was so much better but still ended up with pain and numbness on the outer part of my foot just behind my toes.
At the moment im thinking that some of that comes from using Poma lifts and I end up putting so much pressure on my front foot going up, also kills my knee.
Ive also tried riding with the laces slightly looser and not cranking down so much on the main binding strap and that does help
Tricky to find the correct solution.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Try remind insoles, but burtons run on the narrow side. You really need to get your feet (both) measured properly with a brannock ideally. Length & width.
I have 1 foot a size longer than the other, but both the same width. Only 1 size, but the foot that is 1 size smaller means I should get wide fitting boot for that foot. Other foot is normal!
Im not going to buy 2x pairs of boots though. Basically, boots are PITA if you are self buying & not getting proper fitting.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Your attempting to fix a physical lack of flexion issue in the lower leg chain (partly or wholly) with a credit card buying hardgoods .
This is very very common ...blaming the tools.... not the tool in the boots
Both issues, bootfit and a lack of physical flexion in the lower leg chain are completely different but are bedfellows...you cant just buy hardgoods boots footbeds etc..... and not specifically train for the sport at hand .
Some have it easy....they just need some lower leg chain stretching over time .
Others may need a far greater training consistancy and commitment program in dealing with ones tight lower leg chain.
A lack of flexion causes the footpain ...to the extent of heelift and the foot twisting in the boot this is the footpain ...bootfit is another issue.
Do not overlook exercising/training the Anterior Tibialis.
This info is from some very experienced posters on here that you can count on one hand ie.not the waffling recreationals doing a week or two.
The Poma footpain is a classic sign of a lack of flexion causing the foot to twist in the boot ie "but still ended up with pain and numbness on the outer part of my foot just behind my toes" .
Heelift can also be tightness in the lower leg chain as your dorsiflexion isnt good .
Cem explains it all the best so read all his posts in depth but the nuts an bolts of it all are...specific lower leg flexion training and bootfit .
How you go about those two complex points and to what extent is up to the rider.
Generally everyone will be in a learning curve on both points and be mistaken misinformed on both.... as said its complex .
As a example they say 80% at least will be in oversized boots and mis info is everywhere .
Flexion in the lower leg chain "is a requirement" to Surf and Snowboard well ie you either have flexion or you train to get it .
Surfers were doing yoga way back in the late sixtys so flexion is nothing new but flexion/bootfit is a complex issue to understand .
The best thing is just start physically training/stretching the lower leg and ankle chain and learn about bootfit in depth .
Salesman will just sell you a so called fix that isnt addessing the issues .
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^^good advice.
Specifically with surface lifts you really don’t need to be putting too much pressure anywhere. It takes practice but the best thing you can do is learn to relax everywhere and let the lift do the hard work. Definitely no death grips on the poma/tbar and keep the legs flexy. A bit more angle on the front binding can help.
Most of my riding for the last 20 years has been on surface lifts of one flavour or another, and thats my experience anyway.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Ive tried not putting so much pressure on front foot.
At the moment I just end up switching direction for a few rides up etc to balance it out.
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| Tirol 164 wrote: |
Do not overlook exercising/training the Anterior Tibialis.
This info is from some very experienced posters on here that you can count on one hand ie.not the waffling recreationals doing a week or two.
The Poma footpain is a classic sign of a lack of flexion causing the foot to twist in the boot ie "but still ended up with pain and numbness on the outer part of my foot just behind my toes" .
Heelift can be also tighness in the lower leg chain as your dorsiflexion isnt good .
Cem explains it all the best so read all his posts in depth but the nuts an bolts of it all are...specific lower leg flexion training and bootfit .
How you go about those two complex points and to what extent is up to the rider.
Generally everyone will be in a learning curve on both points and be mistaken misinformed on both.... as said its complex .
As a example they say 80% at least will be in oversized boots and mis info is everywhere .
Flexion in the lower leg chain "is a requirement" to Surf and Snowboard well ie you either have flexion or you train to get it .
Surfers were doing yoga way back in the late sixtys so flexion is nothing new but flexion/bootfit is a complex issue to understand .
The best thing is just start physically training/stretching the lower leg and ankle chain and learn about bootfit in depth .
Salesman will just sell you a so called fix that isnt addessing the issues . |
Hi, what would be some good exercises fort hsi to make less pain?
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Heel dips and raises helped my ankle RoM and calfs.
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Fitness/flexibility are important for sure, but boot fit is still essential.
I spent years getting "crampy, crampy feet". I'd been loyal to one boot brand for a long time and they did suit my foot shape well, giving a nice snug fit with no heel-lift or pressure-points. I eventually dabbled in a couple of other brands (with the help of a good bootfitter) and settled on Salomon. Never had foot pain since. I did have one season where I couldn't get hold of Salomon (post covid) and went back to my old boot brand. Surely the last 18 years living in the mountains, the last 8 of them instructing full-time would have given me feet that could handle anything? Despite the same, old great fit, the old foot pain came right back. I still don't know what the difference really is, I'm guessing the amount of arch support (I have wide, flattish feet). I'll be sticking with Salomon for the foreseeable!
I don't mean to suggest that Salomon are particularly superior, it's just a case of finding what suits your feet.
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I would say that what you describe sounds like boots which don't work for you. If you're getting pain and numbness, that's because something's not right with the fit, not your fitness!
If you struggle on drag lifts, that's a technique issue.
If be wary of tinkering with boots/ liners, which are designed with some care, unless you really know what you're doing and why.
Is a lower leg chain some kind of body piercing?
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You would say .....and so would most salesman.... your not seeing the bigger picture or just baiting posts .
A lack of stretching the lower leg will show up on steeper pomas and or Tbars as footpain this is known its not uncommon at all .
People oversize boots.... they just dont buy too small a boot size.
Its estimated ...at least 80%.... are oversized in lenght volume or both.
If the foot twists or contorts in the boot from a lack of lower leg/ankle flexion and it will .... this can be very painful.
Your going to feel it on the outside of the foot at the widest part aft of the the little toes and wrongly think your boots are to small .
Sometimes the pain is so great it feels like its in the plantar too but all this online on a forum is getting complex
Yet stretching the lower leg chain and increasing ROM at the ankle is the key as its a personal physical issue .
You dont neglect the Anterior Tibialis in this stretching its very likely the most neglected muscle so increasing its strenght/ROM is very real to the end game .
Bootfit/footbeds are very very important but you cant blame the tools on a personal/physical lack of lower leg flexion ...you need bootfit and flexion to snowboard well and lower leg/ankle flexion to surf well.
Generally you find both negative issues together ...people with both a lack of lower leg ankle flexion and ill fitted boots its that common .
Surfers have been working flexibility for decades its old news and especially at the ankle/lower leg for hollow waves .
Lower leg flexion is a "use it or lose it" thing in which some people just can have less than others so some may need to stretch gain ROM and also increase strenght through that increased Rom .....way more than others .
Anyone who thinks flexibility especially in the ankles/ lower legs isnt part of surfing ,snowboarding/skiing is completely wrong.
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| phil_w wrote: |
| Is a lower leg chain some kind of body piercing? |
You're thinking of a third leg chain... also uncomfortable if you trap it in your boots.
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Anyone who thinks flexibility especially in the ankles/ lower legs isnt part of surfing ,snowboarding/skiing is completely wrong.
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Nobody's arguing with you bro.
No doubt, ankle flex is key.
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