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Couple of depressing articles

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/may/08/world-scientists-climate-failure-survey-global-temperature?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR144ifYP3lxv2bwD86JTdy6hcrZ5VSlWG-5OZzKuWZCAADJ5hcQPokkSL8_aem_ASu9nP5y1I43q_-QsCwOn99Z-G6DAlev_yYWv4U7fYzU20vjUj1OSGtwsRpLvZec-BidzQzoPTuk--s7VNF0_LMv

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/may/08/venezuela-loses-its-last-glacier-as-it-shrinks-down-to-an-ice-field
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I'm 58

Sub-Saharan Africa has been a fuc*ing mess my whole life and longer.

Population control is the key.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
population control is 'the' problem globally.
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@Mike Pow,
I'm 58, most of my life two things have been in the news, amost every week if not every day. Israel/Palestine and NI. Thankfully one of them has been quiet for years, the other...I think I was about 12 when I realised that bunging a stone at a tank is a crap way of waging a war.

Population control is definitely a good thing, but I'm not sure we can say that these days.
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Bob wrote:
population control is 'the' problem globally.


Need a world war.
The great reset. Human consume & breed.
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I’m always amazed that when the mainstream media report on global warming they don’t report that the main cause is too many people. Clearly the invasive species that is humanity is starting to decline in some parts of the world: Japan, S. Korea, Italy and even here in Scotland. The problem for governments is how do you manage (if you actually can) population until we have robots that can effectively wipe the backsides of those of us who are approaching the day when we need it.

Written under the influence of a rather potent cocktail!
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@Ski lots, With so much infra & movement on hold for 18 months, its not fossil fuel!
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-The ability of modern medicine to keep people alive who , even 10 years ago, would have died.
-Humans have got too 'good' at controlling certain parts of nature and, at a far greater rate than nature has of catching up.
- Natural resets like pandemics, are controlled very quiclky now.
-Famines are fought and it would be political suicide to not be seen to support relief efforts
-Of course, on a micro level , nobody wants their nearest and dearest to be part of nature's cull , me included but it isn't helping the greater good of the planet.
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A Declining and aging population is the main demographic threat to many parts of rural Britain. That’s because the young continue to move to the cities, particularly in the south and are not being replaced in the more rural areas. Failure of government regional policy (levelling up) and therefore movement away from rural Britain is a much bigger issue outside the urban areas, than international migration.
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@Peter S, I think the issue is not migration either international or internal per se. People seeking a better life either because they want to or because they have to is a story as long as humanity. The issue is the total numbers of us and our increased consumerism (of which snow sports are just a part). Who could blame someone in a less prosperous part of the world aspiring to enjoy what we are apparently luck enough to have.
At a more local level, Mrs SL left/escaped a pretty impoverished existence in the Highlands to go to University nearly 50 years ago and only ever went back as a tourist. Is that wrong? Her sisters both stayed and are both now dead, largely due to the consequent health and lifestyle inequalities.
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I read somewhere that climate change can only ever be controlled by the actions of Asia and South America who have way more problems (like poverty) higher up the priority list. Maybe China's contribution to population control was their pandemic gift?
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Saddest thing is some of the ill informed replies to the OP.
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@Layne,
Explain rather than making an ill informed decision.
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 You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
The problem with predicting the future is unforeseen.
The glaciers are retreating quicker than expected because the original calculations were based on the sun hitting the white snow, they didn’t allow for a dark coating of pollution on the surface that increases the melt rate.
The rule of the three W’s still stands… wetter, windier, warmer. It is happening, and it is happening now. Faster than expected.
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@Ski lots, not blaming people for leaving, it’s more a problem of the centralisation of resources and power, which is no doubt a big reason behind the devolution and independence movements. The united kingdom just isn’t as united or equal as it should be.
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bobhitch wrote:
-The ability of modern medicine to keep people alive who , even 10 years ago, would have died.
-Humans have got too 'good' at controlling certain parts of nature ...
I blame it all on discovering how to control fire...
https://www.theadventureservice.com/amp/influence-of-fire-on-human-evolution
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I think these types of articles just make you want to ski now, as it will be too late tomorrow...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
bobhitch wrote:
-The ability of modern medicine to keep people alive who , even 10 years ago, would have died..

By far and away the biggest success of medicine in terms of longevity is getting people to survive infancy and childhood then childbirth.. In the long term this tends to reduce population growth as people have fewer children. Outside subsahran Africa the population is not really growing very much.
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Yes, too many people - in the developed world. One person in the UK consumes as much in terms of natural resources as 30 people (or more) in a developing nation. It's hypocrisy for us to witter on about 'too many people' when we are the culprits of both economic exploitation and global heating.
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I agree with LaForet.
Give most people a nice life, contraception and a health care system and populations seem to stall or fall. Make it so half your kids die and you keep having more.
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dode wrote:
The problem with predicting the future is unforeseen.

The rule of the three W’s still stands… wetter, windier, warmer. It is happening, and it is happening now. Faster than expected.


That's Wales in my lifetime


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Mike Pow wrote:
dode wrote:
....
The glaciers are retreating quicker than expected because the original calculations were based on the sun hitting the white snow, ....

That's Wales in my lifetime

Blimey - you must be getting on a bit if you remember the Welsh glaciers, Mike Toofy Grin Laughing
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After all it is free Go on u know u want to!
Ha ha

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T Bar wrote:
bobhitch wrote:
-The ability of modern medicine to keep people alive who , even 10 years ago, would have died..

By far and away the biggest success of medicine in terms of longevity is getting people to survive infancy and childhood then childbirth.. In the long term this tends to reduce population growth as people have fewer children. Outside subsahran Africa the population is not really growing very much.


Yes totally, the global population growth is currently declining which brings a whole host of other economic issues where there are too many older people taking from the system, and not enough young people flowing tax money into it. China is the biggest risk, with the old one child policy meaning they have an economic time-bomb on their hands - and so are actively trying to boost their birth rate.

So completely agree that an increased population has put massive strains on the planet - but without addressing or changing the economic model many governments will find themselves trying to fix the short term issues of population growth declines.
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Mike Pow wrote:
I'm 58

Sub-Saharan Africa has been a fuc*ing mess my whole life and longer.

Population control is the key.


Agreed.

It's ok, though, because the whole population of Sub-Saharan Africa can just come to the UK and live here happily ever after.
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LaForet wrote:
Yes, too many people - in the developed world. One person in the UK consumes as much in terms of natural resources as 30 people (or more) in a developing nation.


Nonsense. Even the UK Green party says it is only 4:1 - so an Africa with a Billion people is close to European levels of consumption. An Africa with 4-5 billion (2100 forecasts by the UN) would be multiple times European consumption, especially as consumption is rising on that continent. At the same time as Africa quadruples its population the native European population would fall by half.
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There is always wild hysteria about global warming.

But nothing bad ever happens.

We all get a sweet tan, notchup the aircon, and life carries on as normal.

Everyone in Venezuela can still get a drink from the grocery store.

The world has been melting for the past 15k years.

It's nothing new.
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Whitegold wrote:
But nothing bad ever happens.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/13/canada-wildfires-british-columbia-evacuation
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/12/afghanistan-flash-floods-kill-more-than-300-as-torrents-of-water-and-mud-crash-through-villages
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/may/10/brazil-is-reeling-from-catastrophic-floods-what-went-wrong-and-what-does-the-future-hold
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You know it makes sense.
Layne wrote:
Whitegold wrote:
But nothing bad ever happens.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/13/canada-wildfires-british-columbia-evacuation
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/12/afghanistan-flash-floods-kill-more-than-300-as-torrents-of-water-and-mud-crash-through-villages
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/may/10/brazil-is-reeling-from-catastrophic-floods-what-went-wrong-and-what-does-the-future-hold



Hysterical fearmongering by attention-seeking "scientists" and clickbait-desperate old media.

The reality is, global deaths by weather have plunged an astonishing -95% in the past 100 years.

Famine has all but disappeared.

The world today is safer than at any time ever in the past 1 million years of human history.

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Whitegold wrote:

Hysterical fearmongering by attention-seeking "scientists" and clickbait-desperate old media.


Yup. They peddle snakeoil - Make poo-poo up to get their next pay check funded.
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@Whitegold,

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/drop-climate-related-disaster-deaths-not-evidence-against-climate-emergency-2023-09-19/
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@Layne, indeed; humans are clever at adapting to changing circumstances - which is good news!
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davidof wrote:
LaForet wrote:
Yes, too many people - in the developed world. One person in the UK consumes as much in terms of natural resources as 30 people (or more) in a developing nation.


Nonsense. Even the UK Green party says it is only 4:1 - so an Africa with a Billion people is close to European levels of consumption. An Africa with 4-5 billion (2100 forecasts by the UN) would be multiple times European consumption, especially as consumption is rising on that continent. At the same time as Africa quadruples its population the native European population would fall by half.
Not nonsense at all. And it's nothing to do with global heating and whatever the Greens say. Just the usual post-imperial inequality between us First Worlders and the rest that's been going on for the last hundred years. Strange how the climate change deniers trash everything the Greens say one minute, then cite them to justify First World exploitation the next.
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