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Hi all. Had new boots this season (as above). Pretty happy with them, skied 20 odd days and they've packed out a bit but still plenty of adjustment left
The liners have cork around the heel which makes em a little difficult to put on but provides very good grip there with no movement at all.
I'm not wild about the tongues which are Velcro secured and one of which I've had to stitch in to prevent it coming loose.
Nordica currently sell replacement liners for this model at about 150 Urows. Is it worth buying one now for the future (assuming they won't sell them forever) or just wear the liners out and get Zipfits down the line? I understand ZFs would be twice that price.
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@Tiredoldskibum, hmmm, OEM liners can be a bit crap.
I’d wear them out and upgrade then to SIDAS, Intuition, Zipfit, etc
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@Tiredoldskibum, hmmm, OEM liners can be a bit crap.
I’d wear them out and upgrade then to SIDAS, Intuition, Zipfit, etc |
Cheers. The OEM ones aren't actually bad, I like the cork around the heel thing. I have some wrap around Intuitions from my old boots, I might try them out next season
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Zipfit, in our recent experience is just a simple and expensive cure for the wrong choice of shell shape and size in the first place, albeit in exceptional cases it's a possible solution.
I'd say 1/10 have the right shell and size in the first place, pouring in good money (and cork) after bad. Today we had a dude with a light FT boot, 1.2kg, it was too big, didn't fit and had bought a Zip Fit in the UK to fix his heel lifting. He'd pumped 700gms of cork into his liner to stop it. The liner stopped the walk mode functioning, and negated the whole reason for having a lightweight touring shell with a walk mode. The net weight in a size 25 was 2.4 kilos, that's almost 200gms more than a WC ski boot. Beware peoples, it's a solution to a severe problem, not a money pit to recover a poor choice to start with!!!!
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@CH2O, 
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| CH2O wrote: |
Zipfit, in our recent experience is just a simple and expensive cure for the wrong choice of shell shape and size in the first place, albeit in exceptional cases it's a possible solution.
I'd say 1/10 have the right shell and size in the first place, pouring in good money (and cork) after bad. Today we had a dude with a light FT boot, 1.2kg, it was too big, didn't fit and had bought a Zip Fit in the UK to fix his heel lifting. He'd pumped 700gms of cork into his liner to stop it. The liner stopped the walk mode functioning, and negated the whole reason for having a lightweight touring shell with a walk mode. The net weight in a size 25 was 2.4 kilos, that's almost 200gms more than a WC ski boot. Beware peoples, it's a solution to a severe problem, not a money pit to recover a poor choice to start with!!!! |
1200g shell and 1200g liner?!?!
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@Tiredoldskibum, I have the SM130 and must have put 100 days on the original liner and it’s still fine. Clips on 1st or 2nd buckle. It’s a very solid liner - would be very surprised if it’s packed out after 20 days. I have an ankle issue on the right foot and my fitter puts some reinforcement around the ankle to improve the heel hold. Something like this may be a (cheaper) option if there is some space in certain areas of the liner
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| BobinCH wrote: |
| @Tiredoldskibum, I have the SM130 and must have put 100 days on the original liner and it’s still fine. Clips on 1st or 2nd buckle. It’s a very solid liner - would be very surprised if it’s packed out after 20 days. I have an ankle issue on the right foot and my fitter puts some reinforcement around the ankle to improve the heel hold. Something like this may be a (cheaper) option if there is some space in certain areas of the liner |
Cheers. The liners are still good, no movement in the heel. I have low volume calves and ankles so I probably to tighten my boots a bit more than many. Started out buckle 2 all day, now go 3 to start and tighten to 4 after a few runs. As I say, plenty left and the buckles can be moved too so no rush.
Just wondering if I should put a set of liners in stock for a few years time, while they’re available.
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| Tiredoldskibum wrote: |
Just wondering if I should put a set of liners in stock for a few years time, while they’re available. |
I wouldn’t. It’s not like Nordica are going away. Get the latest liner when you need it
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as CH20 said above, if the boot shell is a good choice then the zipfit liner can make it a better fit, zipfit make a liner which works for a crossover boot but not a light weight touring boot, only that one liner had a rearward flex, and as said if you are pumping that much cork into the liner it is most likely the wrong boot selection
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| CEM wrote: |
| as CH20 said above, if the boot shell is a good choice then the zipfit liner can make it a better fit, zipfit make a liner which works for a crossover boot but not a light weight touring boot, only that one liner had a rearward flex, and as said if you are pumping that much cork into the liner it is most likely the wrong boot selection |
Cheers CEM, and everyone else.
I think the boots were well fitted (Andar Sports, Andorra) and later adjusted & I really like em.
I think I'll wear the liners out and reassess. Always fancied zipfits so...
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@Tiredoldskibum, I have SIDAS PU Race Model custom injected liners (I've never done any race training). They have been amazing for my lower volume ankles and calves in a medium volume boot. The difference they made to my ski control was outstanding. SIDAS also make a comfort version.
I've used them for over 100 days and the technician who fitted them said they should last 300 days.
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@Tiredoldskibum, ive got zips(x2) and intuition(×1) fitted by 2 guys in this thread. zips are far superior in my opinion.
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You know it makes sense.
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| BobinCH wrote: |
@Tiredoldskibum, I have the SM130 and must have put 100 days on the original liner and it’s still fine. Clips on 1st or 2nd buckle. It’s a very solid liner - would be very surprised if it’s packed out after 20 days. I have an ankle issue on the right foot and my fitter puts some reinforcement around the ankle to improve the heel hold. Something like this may be a (cheaper) option if there is some space in certain areas of the liner
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So a couple of the top young freeriders here were raving about their zip fit liners so after conferring with my local bootfitter I treated myself to an early Xmas present and stuck a pair in my Nordica SM’s. First impressions are very good. They certainly feel a lot more snug than the original (albeit well used) liners. Added a bit of extra cork in the tongue of the right problematic foot and it feels really good
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As a bootfitting shop, we'd possibly find 5 reasons a year to insist you spent 500+ euros to buy these liners, and then when we did, it would be only to appease the client. Get the right shell in the first place, if you're going Zippy it's because you're off program.
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| CH2O wrote: |
| As a bootfitting shop, we'd possibly find 5 reasons a year to insist you spent 500+ euros to buy these liners, and then when we did, it would be only to appease the client. Get the right shell in the first place, if you're going Zippy it's because you're off program. |
I‘m using Zipfits in Redster CS boots. My feet are 26.5cm long and I‘m in size 26.5 boots with some grinding to make room for my forefoot at the 1st and 5th met heads and tuberosity of 5th met. I’m genuinely interested to know what boots / liners you would have put me in?
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@CH2O, I've also got CS130's and the liners are pretty packed out after nearly 20 weeks. Didn't you mention sometime ago that you had some of these around your shop from clients who'd ditched them for zipfit/OEM liners?!
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amazing how a shop who doesn't sell a product can find reasons why a product doesn't work or is wrong comer on Steve you are better than to slate one of the best aftermarket liners out there
zipfit IS NOT a solutions to oversized shells or shells with too much volume, however if someone is in the correct shell and wants the longevity out of the boot then it is a great option.... if you ski 1-2 weeks a year then not really a liner fore you, but if you are skiing multiple trips a season or skiing all season offers all the performance of a foam injection liner with some warmth and extra life ()and you can add a bit of OMfit solution when things do pack out a little
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@CEM, what's your view on my situation....
Head Raptor RS 140 fitted by your shop (not by you) in September 2022. Used for c.150 days in the mountains plus in the region of 50 times on dry slopes in the UK.
Liners pretty packed out now, buy new liners, or am I just delaying the inevitable and just go all the way with new boots?
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| swskier wrote: |
@CEM, what's your view on my situation....
Head Raptor RS 140 fitted by your shop (not by you) in September 2022. Used for c.150 days in the mountains plus in the region of 50 times on dry slopes in the UK.
Liners pretty packed out now, buy new liners, or am I just delaying the inevitable and just go all the way with new boots? |
the shell will go a bit longer for sure, so long as the clips are all in good order and you had plates on them so the sole can be good again you could put a liner in and then move that to the next shell, so long as you are staying in the same size and approx. volume of boot and the fit is good then it move in the future, little heat to help the outside of the liner move to match the shell and all is good
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| swskier wrote: |
@CEM, what's your view on my situation....
Head Raptor RS 140 fitted by your shop (not by you) in September 2022. Used for c.150 days in the mountains plus in the region of 50 times on dry slopes in the UK.
Liners pretty packed out now, buy new liners, or am I just delaying the inevitable and just go all the way with new boots? |
the shell will go a bit longer for sure, so long as the clips are all in good order and you had plates on them so the sole can be good again you could put a liner in and then move that to the next shell, so long as you are staying in the same size and approx. volume of boot and the fit is good then it move in the future, little heat to help the outside of the liner move to match the shell and all is good |
Thanks, is the answer from the Zillertal then H&N as the best option for a liner? I'd come to you, but i'm not back in the UK properly until next Summer.
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| swskier wrote: |
Thanks, is the answer from the Zillertal then H&N as the best option for a liner? I'd come to you, but i'm not back in the UK properly until next Summer.
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I had a positive experience at H&N, but I’ve also heard mixed reports.
Our mutual friend SJ recommended http://www.schuhlabor.at/ to me.
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@Oceanic, she did tell me the other week she went to Hall for her fittings.
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