 Poster: A snowHead
|
|
|
|
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
|
|
The Master version is stiff but has a fairly even flex through the whole ski. The FIS version has a stiff flex but with a very stiff tail, which means the ski wants to accelerate more out of the end of the turn and also means it will throw you on your bottom more if you get accidentally back seat. For all day skiing with some laziness the Master version will be more forgiving and still give bags of grip.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
|
I am a similar weight and loved some Atomic SL11s @157 that I got back in 2003. When the chance came up just prior to leaving the EU, to get some SZ-12 in a 158, I bought them at considerable discount from Glisshop. They have a very similar turn radius and I really like them.
In case it's of interest, I see that Glisshop currently have some Dynastar Speed 763 in a 158 @ 27% off, with a further 15% off as well. I think they are very similar to the SZ12s and have a turn radius of 12m. https://www.glisshop.co.uk/ski-set-bindings/dynastar/alpine-ski-set-speed-763-konect-bindings38526315
|
|
|
|
|
|
You need to Login to know who's really who.
You need to Login to know who's really who.
|
|
@snowrider, Thanks, that is the conclusion I had come to but not having skied either I am not certain which would suit.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
|
|
@Old Fartbag, Good to have a recommendation to look out for . Will see what is available to hire in Tignes.
|
|
|
|
|
|
You'll need to Register first of course.
You'll need to Register first of course.
|
Spyderjon isn't wrong, the Speed Master SL is a lovely ski, and it was the ski I was thinking as I started reading your post.
What about checking out for something second hand? Perhaps on facebook etc?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I think that @snowrider, is spot on. I really loved the Masters and also found them not quite as full on as the various FIS variants (which are very similar - as they probably should be). SL skis can be hard work for the the work rate involved in turning that much..... Of the FIS SL sis I've tried, Atomic (doubledeck version) were very hard work. Volkl were ok but dull. Admins White Stars were decent and very predictable. I'd hold out for a go on the Masters, they struck me as pretty classy.
I find myself coveting @Seahoob's GS version.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
@swskier, Great to have confirmation of that and the Speed Master is definitely top of the list for me at present. I do not do Facebook but will have a scout around.
|
|
|
|
|
|
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
|
@Klamm Franzer, I have also looked at @Seahoob's skis rather enviously. I wanted to beg him for a go on them last year (or was it the year before - time flies when ones years advance) but they were so new that I would have been mortified if I had put the slightest scratch on them  .
I did try them at the Oktobertest last year but couldn't get enough speed to do more than one turn in the fridge so pretty pointless.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Be aware Dynastar have dropped the version with the R22 plate this year, so if you want that you need to buy second hand or last years version. This year only the Konnect version available. Both versions have been available in previous years. Rossignol still making a Master SL with R22 plate this year.
|
|
|
|
|
|
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
|
| snowrider wrote: |
| Be aware Dynastar have dropped the version with the R22 plate this year, so if you want that you need to buy second hand or last years version. This year only the Konnect version available. Both versions have been available in previous years. Rossignol still making a Master SL with R22 plate this year. |
That's incorrect!
For 23/24 Dynastar are offering the Speed Omeglass Master SL skis with a number of bindings options:
- Konect dual rail + SPX14 bindings
- R22 plates only (but the plate only accepts SPX Rockerace/Race Metrix bindings)
- R22 plates + SPX15 Rockerace bindings
- R22 plates + SPX12 Race Metrix bindings
- R22 plates + SPX Rockerace bindings
Also note that the Dynastar Speed 963 is the exact same ski as the Master SL but with a different topsheet but it is only available with the Konect dual rail and either SPX12 or NX12 bindings.
|
|
|
|
|
|
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
|
|
I bought the Speed 963 last season, I'm 168cm/70kg and went for the 162 ski, awesome slalom ski, really turny but stable, fantastic edge grip and gave me the best CARV score of the entire season!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
@snowheid, I'm not sure you'll find a lot of true difference between brands. There were quite a few Volkls on eBay a few weeks ago when I looked ... FIS versions do demand a little bit of attention, all the time, but are a hoot.
|
|
|
|
|
|
You know it makes sense.
|
|
If the R22 version of the Master SL is still available I stand corrected, but it is no longer on the Dynastar website, hence why I thought it was discontinued.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
|
| under a new name wrote: |
| @snowheid, I'm not sure you'll find a lot of true difference between brands. There were quite a few Volkls on eBay a few weeks ago when I looked ... FIS versions do demand a little bit of attention, all the time, but are a hoot. |
I think this is largely true particularly if you're not actual racing. And even then most substantial differences due to the particular raceplate/riser. Be aware that full FIS WC skis are approximately the same weight as black holes.
Plenty of stuff secondhand as people flog on training skis etc. Just watch for amount of edge left.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Poster: A snowHead
|
|
@Dave of the Marmottes, there were quite a few pairs of new Völkl GSs around, £250-300ish
|
|
|
|
|
|
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
|
Slight thread drift here but just interested as to how race plates affect the ramp angle? Reason I ask is that I dont have great flexibility in my ankles and as a result have a bit of difficulty getting fully forward in my boots at all times.
| Quote: |
Be aware that full FIS WC skis are approximately the same weight as black holes.
|
I do like a bit of weight in a piste ski and am particularly interested in good build quality which the Dynastars seem to be renowned for.
Also less interested in second hand but more in discounted last years model type of deal or ex demo etc.
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Sun 8-10-23 11:13; edited 1 time in total
|
|
|
|
|
|
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
|
@snowheid, This is absolutely not my area of expertise - more that of Spyderjon and CEM - but my understanding is this:
- Different bindings have different Delta angles
- Different boots have different Ramp angles
- These different angles can add to each other or offset each other to some degree
- Having a Plate means the binding is much easier to shim and change the Delta angle on, than a Rail binding
- You need to see someone who is "on top" of this info and can advise you well, as it's a minefield
- Try and improve your range of ankle flex movement through stretching and rolling
|
|
|
|
|
|
You need to Login to know who's really who.
You need to Login to know who's really who.
|
@Old Fartbag,
CEM did comment on it when he did my footbeds and I have been doing regular stretching exercises since which has helped a bit.
And I like to steer clear of minefields so probably case of get skis and ski them - if problems consult the guru  's
|
|
|
|
|
|
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
|
|
|
|
You'll need to Register first of course.
You'll need to Register first of course.
|
|
|
|
|
|
You would need to contact them directly....but I would expect extra charges.
Glisshop have all charges included.....I see the Dutch skis come with the better Konect bindings and are 156....but would the skis I linked to in a 158, be a reasonable compromise, with around a similar 40% discount (including the extra 15%) to the UK? The Plate is supposed to make a considerable difference - which means that the 963 and 763 with the less performance orientated Konect Bindings, could be reasonably close in performance....though the 963 has a radius of 11m vs 12m of the 763.
This rundown might still be relevant: https://skikitinfo.com/whats-new/2122/dynastar-s-line-skis/
Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Sun 8-10-23 12:36; edited 2 times in total
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
|
@snowheid, what about getting them delivered to whichever accommodation you're staying in this year?
Where are you going away to this season? Long shot, but if it's the Zillertal, you're welcome to have them delivered to mine and I'll store them until you get away. That'll save any tax issues.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
@swskier, Thanks for that offer, very kind of you. Not totally outside bounds of possibility as I was half thinking of driving out for the BBash double and had a half formed idea of stopping for a sneaky Austrian ski on the way there or way back.  .
I will see how things pan out.
|
|
|
|
|
|
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
|
@snowheid, Zillertal not a million miles off the Brunner pass at Innsbruck down to the Dolomites, so could work.
Offers there should you want/need it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
|
|
@snowheid, FWIW. If you can get the Dutch Dynastars at the price advertised, then they are likely the better buy (IMO).
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I've got a pair of the speed masters (165cm) They really are the dogs bs. I skied with someone last year who was on stokli sls, with a pink metallic top. She would have bought a pair, excepting the cost!
|
|
|
|
|
|
You know it makes sense.
|
Why not buy a pair of Original +? Bespoke to your personal specifications 
|
|
|
|
|
|
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
|
I looked at this recently, you shouldn't pay an additional duty, just UK VAT + handling charge (normally a total of 22.5% extra). The UK / EU trade deal is effectively free trade, so no duty but still paperwork for VAT etc. However if it was bought from a company in an EU country the physical item is dispatched from a non EU country the situation would obviously be different.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Poster: A snowHead
|
Having tried the masters SL and the 963 back to back although they are the same ski the R22 plate makes a world of difference IMHO. The masters with the plate was a lot of fun, the 963 with konnect just left me feeling a bit flat. I actually bought the FIS because I wanted it for racing, but if I was looking for an everyday SL ski I'd be very happy on the Masters.
As for the ramp angle (well... really the binding delta...) The R22 plate raises the toe piece a little so that there is a zero delta (I think). This is also my personal preference so may be one reason I very much preferred the masters with R22 plate over the 963 without.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
|
|
|
|
|
|
FAQ
).
