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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Hire gear.
Otherwise my son fitted some Fritschi Diamirs to some old skis, they cost him 45 euros, New Old Stock, and he was good. Well at least for tours of around 500 meters altitude. Anything more and he found his very flexible alpine boots with walk mode to be uncomfortable for walking.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Hiring boots is definitely not an option, I need custom fit boots.
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I've done a couple of 1-2 hour climbs with standard alpine boots (no walk mode) and Marker frame bindings (F10, but you might want one of the beefier versions). It was fine, but anything much longer and the knees, such as they are, wouldn't have been very happy.
Shifts need a boot with pin inserts for the uphill, but have an alpine heel for the descent.
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The cheapest way would probably be to find some second hand skis with a frame binding, then you can use your current boots. They have a reasonable amount of adjustment (the Marker ones come as S or L), so you may not need to re-drill. If they don't come with skins, you can get these second hand too, just buy to fit or bigger and trim them down.
However, that is going to be heavy. You could have 5kg per foot, when those on lightweight kit will have half that. If you're not fit enough, you soon will be, or die trying 
Personally, I'm playing the long game (I do have lightweight kit, but I don't use it often, so for the purpose of this discussion I shall ignore it). My next everyday boots will be fitted with inserts. The last pair of skis I bought was fitted with Shift bindings. I got some skins secondhand from someone who had trashed one ski. Eventually these things will match up and I will be able to use those skis for up as well as down (though it won't be far, because they're quite heavy), and any more I buy will be fitted similarly if it makes sense. My frame bindings will eventually get rotated out.
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@tangowaggon, those skis are a bit heavy but not too bad, esp if you’re just dabbling to see if you like it.
Some frame bindings (eg Marker F12 or F10) would be a good bet. Ski quite well, reliable, cheaper than other options
It’s quite a heavy combination but it’s usable like a normal alpine setup and lots of people started out on heavier/worse kit before tech bindings proliferated
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| Arno wrote: |
@tangowaggon, those skis are a bit heavy but not too bad, esp if you’re just dabbling to see if you like it.
Some frame bindings (eg Marker F12 or F10) would be a good bet. Ski quite well, reliable, cheaper than other options
It’s quite a heavy combination but it’s usable like a normal alpine setup and lots of people started out on heavier/worse kit before tech bindings proliferated |
yep, this.
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| tangowaggon wrote: |
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Shift/frame bindings, are these the same thing? I have seen setups where the heel & toe bindings are fixed to a frame that hinges on the ski.
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You've probably answered this now with the replies, but no, they're not the same.
As you say, with the frame binding the whole thing hinges.
With a shift binding, you fiddle around with it for up and down. On the way up, it's a pin binding with the heels loose, and one the way down, its essentially the same as an alpine binding.
You'll most likely be able to find a pair of frame bindings on Facebook or ebay etc for not a lot of money. That and some 2nd hand skins chucked on your 95mm skis is your cheapest intro.
Obviously you need to buy some avalanche gear too, but you could rent that as and when you're going to tour?
It depends how much you want to get in to it. If you're looking at lift assisted touring/off piste you won't need to worry about weight as much as only touring without lifts.
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| tangowaggon wrote: |
I decided not to do the sopib this season because last year, it was expected that the higher groups would be doing some skinning routes and this is something that hasn't been of any interest to me as the expense : enjoyment ratio is too low, but maybe I can reduce the expense side? But firstly, I need to know what everyone is taking about & how much I already know 
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Surely someone on that trip has a spare pair they can lend you to try out?
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| BobinCH wrote: |
| tangowaggon wrote: |
I decided not to do the sopib this season because last year, it was expected that the higher groups would be doing some skinning routes and this is something that hasn't been of any interest to me as the expense : enjoyment ratio is too low, but maybe I can reduce the expense side? But firstly, I need to know what everyone is taking about & how much I already know
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Surely someone on that trip has a spare pair they can lend you to try out? |
They did, but my mind wasn't in a good place at the time to try it, I'm still very much the adrenaline junkie, that likes offpiste but is more inclined to enjoy piste skiing than hiking an hour for a few min of good offpiste, hence my cost : enjoyment ratio comment
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Surely someone on that trip has a spare pair they can lend you to try out?
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It was me. There was grumpiness! But yes, in general trying it out with frame binding (which you can probably rent) and existing boots is probably the best plan: if you can tolerate it but the weight is a pain you can think about other kit later.
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| tangowaggon wrote: |
| BobinCH wrote: |
| tangowaggon wrote: |
I decided not to do the sopib this season because last year, it was expected that the higher groups would be doing some skinning routes and this is something that hasn't been of any interest to me as the expense : enjoyment ratio is too low, but maybe I can reduce the expense side? But firstly, I need to know what everyone is taking about & how much I already know
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Surely someone on that trip has a spare pair they can lend you to try out? |
They did, but my mind wasn't in a good place at the time to try it, I'm still very much the adrenaline junkie, that likes offpiste but is more inclined to enjoy piste skiing than hiking an hour for a few min of good offpiste, hence my cost : enjoyment ratio comment |
The question I tend to ask people thinking of touring is "do you like hiking?". If you don't then probably give ski touring a miss.
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The question I tend to ask people thinking of touring is "do you like hiking?". If you don't then probably give ski touring a miss
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OP does 10km runs. Nothing is more boring than running so I'd suggest that he will be fine with a little bit of lift-assisted touring!
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You know it makes sense.
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| leggyblonde wrote: |
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The question I tend to ask people thinking of touring is "do you like hiking?". If you don't then probably give ski touring a miss
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OP does 10km runs. Nothing is more boring than running so I'd suggest that he will be fine with a little bit of lift-assisted touring! |
Harsh but fair 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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2nd hand skins and some Marker frame bindings are absolutely fine to try it all out
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| kitenski wrote: |
| 2nd hand skins and some Marker frame bindings are absolutely fine to try it all out |
This is exactly my advice.
I've done 100's of days in Marker's and Fritchis, back in the beggining the now defunct securifix adapter plates.
I still run F10/12's on most of my skis and then Plum or G3's on ligher skies intended for big climbs.
As for can pin's be put into existing alpine boots - definetly yes, I've done a few pairs myself, including helping Glen Plake prove Dlabello Engineers wrong many years ago - but if you are not confident about doing a non standard engine swap on your own car this is not a route to go down.
If you are looking for one boot to do all. IF they fit your feet a Roxa RX3 is a good choice. Very light weight and inexpensive compared to it's rivals and stiff as well, needs a wrap around liner to make it work to it's full potential - again IF they fit your feet.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| leggyblonde wrote: |
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The question I tend to ask people thinking of touring is "do you like hiking?". If you don't then probably give ski touring a miss
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OP does 10km runs. Nothing is more boring than running so I'd suggest that he will be fine with a little bit of lift-assisted touring! |
+1 I actually hate running, but enjoy the effects of being fit, especially after seeing the state of poor Ronan710 after a walk out on the gnarlibug this year  my legs never ache on ski trips since I took up running as a ski fit exercise. I onlybdo 5k, not 10, 7.5 is the furthest I ever ran.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@tangowaggon, do you know roughly how far the ascents are likely to be?
Second hand frame bindings (Marker Dukes, Barons, F10s etc) plus 2nd hand skins on your old skis will be just fine, and not crazy heavy - but if you're also using normal alpine boots without a walk mode then I think anything much over 3-400 vert metres/1 hour of skinning is likely to become more painful than it's worth... That would still be fine if you're just hiking a bit from the lifts to access lines, but I would re-think hiring if you start approaching 2+ hour ascents.
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| leggyblonde wrote: |
OP does 10km runs. Nothing is more boring than running so I'd suggest that he will be fine with a little bit of lift-assisted touring! |
Depends where you are running
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| clarky999 wrote: |
| I would re-think hiring if you start approaching 2+ hour ascents. |
Any type of hired boot is probably out of the question, a touring boot may be more comfortable on a longer hike, but a hired boot will be uncomfortable as soon as it is put on.
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Get a splitboard. Easier boot choice plus you will look a lot cooler
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@tangowaggon, good point made in @Haggis_Trap, post, you get into another minefield of what bindings are compatible with alpine and/or touring boot soles....
I started with alpine boots and frame bindings, was fine IMHO, I did a 3 day hut to hut tour in them, with just one blister and plenty of day hikes. I've recently moved to a hybrid boot and Shift bindings mainly to save a bit of weight and not have to lift the whole binding when walking up (with a Norway trip planned....0
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@hang11, No need, the SOPiB snowboard group get free use of Jones Hovercraft splits
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Ahh but if you split board you have poles so you can avoid all the one foot shuffle thing 
Last edited by snowHeads are a friendly bunch. on Wed 20-09-23 9:52; edited 1 time in total
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@leggyblonde, I’ve had a hovercraft solid for a few years, my go to board for heli. So much fun
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You know it makes sense.
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@tangowaggon, I don't have "touring skis", as also don't want to be lugging extra skis around. I have R.98s with skins and Shift bindings and a hybrid boot, seems to fit the bill for me and does most things I'd want. I also had my Volkl Codewalls quiver killed so my piste skis also take the shift bindings, so 2 pairs of skis, most all eventualities catered for!
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