 Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Best get some winter tyres.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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All those low lying ski resorts are back in the game!
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must find some 2nd hand cross country kit.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I quote from the article "Evidence from past collapses indicate changes of temperature of 10C in a few decades, although these occurred during ice ages."
We are in the current ice age.
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LOL
some 'expert' must be looking for another round of funding.
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Aberdare becomes ski-in ski-out
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@Mike Pow, no need to build the dome at Merthyr any more
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| swskier wrote: |
| @Mike Pow, no need to build the dome at Merthyr any more |
That will be for Summer 
Year round skiing
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@davidof,
That's one of the promotional pictures for "The Day After Tomorrow..." all the premiere release cities got one - London's shows Big Ben half buried in snow and ice.
Anyhoo, the study says it could happen between 2025 and 2095, so a fair window, seeing that the threat to the Gulf Stream is well documented from freshwater melt from Greenland and the increased flow of fresh water from the arctic tundra regions into the Arctic Ocean. Primary concerns are more related to the reduced growing season on the Atlantic coastal nations, increased fuel dependency with corresponding increase in emissions, and the increase in unstable weather.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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it's a study by a mathematician and a statistician....Wouldn't trust the beta-nerds too much on such complex matters. Especially not end of July....
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Ok, so that's all right then. Let's continue to fiddle while Rome (or at any rate Rhodes) burns.
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You know it makes sense.
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| pam w wrote: |
| Ok, so that's all right then. Let's continue to fiddle while Rome (or at any rate Rhodes) burns. |
Well, maybe it is better here to focus on wintersports, where climate-change is all too obvious already for some years....and every new snow-cannon is adding to that.....
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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The climate of our planet is a global system, like it or not. Instability and unpredictable change is on its way.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Just think of the world children of today will be living in when they’re adults.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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The irony of you all using the internet to discuss energy waste is amusing.
The internet accounts for approximately 7% of electricity consumption
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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This bit of it doesn't. It's mostly powered by hot air.
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What has been a revelation for me recently, is the carbon output of beef production.
Mind you, it’s nothing compared to the Snowflake’s avocado getting flown in from Mexico
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Richard_Sideways wrote: |
@davidof,
That's one of the promotional pictures for "The Day After Tomorrow..." all the premiere release cities got one - London's shows Big Ben half buried in snow and ice.
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| pam w wrote: |
| This bit of it doesn't. It's mostly powered by hot air. |
and eco friendly hamsters
anyway it has snowed today
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... the related article I read suggested the effect on GDP 'could be' 20% over that time period.... an observation which was soundly debased as most GDP forecasts are inaccurate.
As an aside, does anyone have a reliable accurate forecast for the weather next week? for anywhere? At the moment, where I am (Cervinia, not that it matters particularly), Accuweather is realiable for about 6 hours into the future, and 'roughly' reliable for tomorrow.... as for 2-5 years time, or further, forget it. (and Accu is the best tool I've found...).
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| hamilton wrote: |
| as for 2-5 years time, or further, forget it. (and Accu is the best tool I've found...). |
I don't think I have ever seen anyone attempt to model the weather with a prediction for 2-5 years time.
Climate change does get modelled at that interval and further out. The models are constantly being refined with increasing accuracy.
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| hamilton wrote: |
| As an aside, does anyone have a reliable accurate forecast for the weather next week? for anywhere? At the moment, where I am (Cervinia, not that it matters particularly), Accuweather is realiable for about 6 hours into the future, and 'roughly' reliable for tomorrow.... as for 2-5 years time, or further, forget it. (and Accu is the best tool I've found...). |
Nobody is claiming that they can predict the weather on a particular day 2-5 years (or longer) in the future.
What most scientists are saying is that there will be changes to the climate (a different thing to the weather) on a scale that has never been seen before in our lifetimes or in recent preceding generations.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@Haggis_Trap,
Why is it scray?
Anomalies happen all the time.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Extremophile wrote: |
| Just think of the world children of today will be living in when they’re adults. |
The same world we/they live in today.
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| pam w wrote: |
| Ok, so that's all right then. Let's continue to fiddle while Rome (or at any rate Rhodes) burns. |
Not reported widely on MSM but authorities on Rhodes believe it was arson
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You know it makes sense.
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Yes, I'd heard that on the news. Not sure how it changes things. There is consensus amongst climate scientists that the present extent of wildfires could not have happened without human-induced climate change.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Mike Pow wrote: |
| pam w wrote: |
| Ok, so that's all right then. Let's continue to fiddle while Rome (or at any rate Rhodes) burns. |
Not reported widely on MSM but authorities on Rhodes believe it was arson |
I’ve never really understood the supposed link between hot weather and wildfires.
Leaving aside lightning strikes, does grass, etc just catch fire spontaneously, even at ambient temps of 45C? Or is the link more between dry weather and wildfires (obvs, hot dry weather is likely to make for more easily combustible material than cold dry weather)…?
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Red Leon wrote: |
| Or is the link more between dry weather and wildfires (obvs, hot dry weather is likely to make for more easily combustible material than cold dry weather)…? |
It's all about fuel AFAIK. Sustained hot weather obviously dries out grassland and scrub (and tends to be assoicated with high pressure so not much rain). Certainly in the US Sierras which are usually a decent wildfire hotspot, deadfall can be tinder dry even in winter. Then it only takes a single lightning strike, a careless camper, a smoker, a BBQ.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Red Leon, why would you leave aside lightning strikes? There are thousands and thousands of strikes over the summer, and they frequently start fires. If the forest is dry, and it doesn’t need to be completely dry to catch, it just goes up faster.
When it is very dry, it doesn’t take much to start a fire. A spark from a car, a broken glass bottle, even birds are sometimes the arsonists 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Fascinating. Turns out that the UK is mild because it’s on the wrong side of the Atlantic and is exposed to predominantly warm air masses importing sub tropical warmth. Switching off the Gulf Stream would then make little difference.
But would that not also disrupt the jet stream leading to longer periods when the Uk is exposed to cooler air from the north and east? Albeit the artic and continental air is never particularly cold these days.
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| Scarlet wrote: |
@Red Leon, why would you leave aside lightning strikes? There are thousands and thousands of strikes over the summer, and they frequently start fires. If the forest is dry, and it doesn’t need to be completely dry to catch, it just goes up faster.
When it is very dry, it doesn’t take much to start a fire. A spark from a car, a broken glass bottle, even birds are sometimes the arsonists |
I said, “leaving aside lightning” because it’s an obvious way for a fire to start 
Anyway, your response and others pretty much confirm what I was suggesting, ie. that wildfires are NOT started by high ambient temps but are (obvs) more associated with dry weather.
I’m just not sure why the news reports bang on about the high temps being the cause of the fires.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Gored wrote: |
| Extremophile wrote: |
| Just think of the world children of today will be living in when they’re adults. |
The same world we/they live in today. |
Lol. The same planet, yes, but not the same civilisation. I know it’s an inconvenience for you to think outside of ‘the universe according to Gored’ but do try.
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| Extremophile wrote: |
| Gored wrote: |
| Extremophile wrote: |
| Just think of the world children of today will be living in when they’re adults. |
The same world we/they live in today. |
Lol. The same planet, yes, but not the same civilisation. I know it’s an inconvenience for you to think outside of ‘the universe according to Gored’ but do try. |
If my 56 years of memory; passed down family 'lore'; and photographic evidence is anything to go by, the climate in Wales has stayed remarkably consistent throughout that time
We had and still have four seasons, the length of each fluctuating each year but not markedly
We have cycles where the Summers are much warmer than those the 5 or so years before them or after them
We have cycles where the Winters are much colder than those the 5 or so years before them or after them
If we get a consistent spell of cold weather in the Winter, then snow will fall at low altitudes. Even at sea level
It rains consistently every month of the year and the temperature range for most of the calendar year is quite narrow (in comparison with other parts of the world) of around 20C. Between around 5C and 25C
I grew up in an industrial Welsh valley which had mining and iron production in the near vicinity
During my childhood we had the Phurnacite Plant producing smokeless coal fuel for the bigger UK cities
The production process filled the valley with pollution and there were many days when you could not see one end of the valley from the other (a bit like modern day China)
There is no heavy industry in and around my valley at present and nature has done a remarkable and natural job of greening the valley
Children born today are born in to a far better environment from the the one I was born into
I don't see that regressing back to 1966 levels in the next half century
And for those saying 56 years is not a long enough time period to base 'science' on, the scientists are not working with that much more data (in relative terms) than me
They're basing their forecasts on records which go back to 1884, that's 139 years
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| Mike Pow wrote: |
I grew up in an industrial Welsh valley which had mining and iron production in the near vicinity
During my childhood we had the Phurnacite Plant producing smokeless coal fuel for the bigger UK cities
The production process filled the valley with pollution and there were many days when you could not see one end of the valley from the other (a bit like modern day China)
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Was that the Phurnacite plant at Abercwmboi?
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| pam w wrote: |
| Yes, I'd heard that on the news. Not sure how it changes things. There is consensus amongst climate scientists that the present extent of wildfires could not have happened without human-induced climate change. |
Causation and correlation are not the same thing
Greece is hot and dry for much of the year
This provides the fuel
But without the human 'heat' of arson or stupidity then the wildfires don't exist
And the expansion of humans and infrastructure into previously uninhabited areas which do traditionally experience natural wildfires are now more significant than they were 40-50 years ago
The same goes for flooding
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| Alastair Pink wrote: |
| Mike Pow wrote: |
I grew up in an industrial Welsh valley which had mining and iron production in the near vicinity
During my childhood we had the Phurnacite Plant producing smokeless coal fuel for the bigger UK cities
The production process filled the valley with pollution and there were many days when you could not see one end of the valley from the other (a bit like modern day China)
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Was that the Phurnacite plant at Abercwmboi? |
Yes
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