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The Giro, as ever hits the Dollies.
It passes therough, Alleghe, Arabba and over many of the climbs.
There is even a finsh at Val di Zoldo which us the back part of the Civetta resort.
I'm sure the views will,be amazing and nostalgic.
Live coverage in Eurosport.
Stages 18 and 19
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Of course today Gran Sasso in the Appenines, ski resort Campo Imperatore and some impressive snow walls at the finish. First proper mountain day, also live on GCN.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Watching now. Quite a bit of snow up there.
Very dull race though today
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@cameronphillips2000, yes it was bizarrely uneventful, lots of speculation that the main protagonists are banged up from previous days, though there was a very strong headwind which would have made any sort of "attack" extremely risky.
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For those without Eurosport, there's a highlights show on every (racing) night at 7 on DMAX and at 8 on DMAX+1. And you can watch it at 10 in Welsh on S4C and on IPlayer thereafter.
I must admit, I can watch sport in French/German/Italian/Spanish and have a reasonable grasp of what's going on. Welsh, not so much.
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Evenepoel out due to Covid is a real disaster. I wanted Thomas or Geoghegan Hart to win but it is awful for the race to lose the favourite. Having looked vulnerable on Saturday he raced a fantastic time trial yesterday. So it was just getting interesting.
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He won the TT despite being ill 
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Remco raced for 16km on the flat in the prologue ar a speed 10% quicker than Lance Armstrong in his prime.
Then wins a TT against the world's best with Covid.
They pulled him for thw TDF
G in with a great chance now if Ineos work as a team and attack Roglic. Tao looked stronger on the climbs though - probably their main man.
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It also might explain why he was unable to follow on Saturday; which may also explain why the racing was so uneventful, i.e. if everyone was scared of him on his favourite type of terrain but he wasn't feeling good, then no-one was going to really push.
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It also explains why Remco "only" won by 1 second on a long TT. He put much more time into the rest on a shorter TT earlier in the race.
No way he'll be going for GC at the Tour. QS don't have anywhere near a solid enough mountain support squad, they are all geared up for stages/green with Jakobson.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@cameronphillips2000, I cant see Remco Evenepoel going to the Tour this year, hardly any TT and lots of climbs, not an ideal parcours for him. Plus the media hoopla would be insane, there have been suggestions he could go for the "experience" but if he won a stage from a breakaway, of which he is more than capable, there would be all sorts of "demands" he then rode for the GC. As has been pointed out already SQS dont have the team to take this on, better to go for sprint stages & breakaways with Julian Alaphilippe as they always have.
He was not that far ahead of the field in the initial TT, G was only a couple of seconds behind on the flat section but faded on the climb, TGH was quickest up the climbing section (he bizarrely had the KoM jersey the next day). What was perhaps a surprise was that Primoz Roglic was not quite at the same level. No doubt Remco has been affected by the virus but maybe was not quite as far ahead as many thought in the first place.
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| leggyblonde wrote: |
No way he'll be going for GC at the Tour. QS don't have anywhere near a solid enough mountain support squad, they are all geared up for stages/green with Jakobson. |
Can’t he just ride on the tail of the other lead riders on the big climbs?
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You know it makes sense.
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@BobinCH, Firstly the battles to sit on Ineos and Jumbo trains are huge and those guys have domestiques' to act as sweepers/get in the way too. They would also just keeping attacking with their Plan B/co-leaders forcing Remco to chase. And he'd have to to get his own bottles and gilets etc.
Pogacar is supremely impressive at "doing it by himself" and is more skillful, better in the mountains and more experienced than Remco and even he capitulated to Jumbo last year. Pogacar is also popular with the other riders, whereas Remco is less so. Friends in the bunch really help!
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Grand StBernard pass has been removed from st13 route due to snow still not cleared and more expected.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| adithorp wrote: |
| Grand StBernard pass has been removed from st13 route due to snow still not cleared and more expected. |
That is a real pity. Ironic as well given what a poor snow year it was - April and even May delivering the goods the main part of the season didn’t.
It is still going to be an exciting stage - and fun for us Valais skiers: watching them go from Verbier over to La Tsoumaz and then up to Crans Montana.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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This was the pass at the beginning of May with ploughs trying to clear 4m of snow.
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| adithorp wrote: |
| Grand StBernard pass has been removed from st13 route due to snow still not cleared and more expected. |
Will they come through the tunnel instead? If not how will they get to Le Châble?
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The tunnel apparently. Real shame the Grand St. Bernard is missing but it is the Giro and happens all the time.
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See Evenpoel out of giro after testing for covid, am very mixed about this, would he be blocked from racing if he caught a cold or flu?
Understand local country rules around isolation etc but really? Chances are all his team will have been potentially infected, what about all the tv crews and support staff who would have been in close proximity in the previous 24-48 hours when he was likely to be a risk?
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@ansta1, he'd would have pulled out with a cold or flu. Team wouldnt risk side effects of continuing to race. Tim Declercq's pericarditis diagnosis last year saw to that.
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@adithorp, proper flu almost certainly granted, a cold possibly but depends on how bad and the upcoming stage difficulty would be a factor I'd guess, non symptomatic covid (if it was non symptomatic) ?
Man flu however, he'd be airlifted back home immediately as that is as bad as it gets as we know.
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| cameronphillips2000 wrote: |
Remco raced for 16km on the flat in the prologue ar a speed 10% quicker than Lance Armstrong in his prime.
Then wins a TT against the world's best with Covid.
They pulled him for thw TDF
G in with a great chance now if Ineos work as a team and attack Roglic. Tao looked stronger on the climbs though - probably their main man. |
10% quicker than Armstrong in his "prime".....hmm
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@ansta1, Remco was really unwell not just a surprise positive test. Some riders have carried on with a positive test, they were shown to have a low enough "viral load" for it not to be an issue. Given the weather conditions it is not surprising so many riders are becoming ill, it could well be a case of last man standing to win the race.
@Whitegoldsbrother, especially with the TT riders are going faster due to improvements in technology, more aero bikes, clothes etc. The bigger teams can afford to spend hours in wind tunnels to refine the rider's position on the bike. Over a half hour TT this can give a significant benefit perhaps a good deal more than Texan blood bags!
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@munich_irish, agreed. Not saying the pro peloton is clean but the aero and efficiency gains thanks to people like Dan Bigham has been huge.
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| Whitegoldsbrother wrote: |
| cameronphillips2000 wrote: |
| Remco raced for 16km on the flat in the prologue ar a speed 10% quicker than Lance Armstrong in his prime.... |
10% quicker than Armstrong in his "prime".....hmm |
Well it's worth checking random figures thrown about...
Armstrong's fastest tt (1990) 54kph.
Remco, Giro stage1, 55.2kph
And for comparison, Greg Lemond, TdF final stage Paris 1989, 54.5kph
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Chances are all his team will have been potentially infected
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Four more quickstep riders out today with Covid, just three left in the race.
Covid isn;t over
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| adithorp wrote: |
| Whitegoldsbrother wrote: |
| cameronphillips2000 wrote: |
| Remco raced for 16km on the flat in the prologue ar a speed 10% quicker than Lance Armstrong in his prime.... |
10% quicker than Armstrong in his "prime".....hmm |
Well it's worth checking random figures thrown about...
Armstrong's fastest tt (1990) 54kph.
Remco, Giro stage1, 55.2kph
And for comparison, Greg Lemond, TdF final stage Paris 1989, 54.5kph |
“The last thing I’ll say for the people like myself that don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics, I’m sorry. I’m sorry that I can’t dream big and I’m sorry that I don't believe in miracles...”
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You know it makes sense.
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Tao Geoghegan Hart crashing out is a real disappointment. I guess it makes things easier for Ineos having only one GC rider to protect.
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| JohnMo wrote: |
| Tao Geoghegan Hart crashing out is a real disappointment. I guess it makes things easier for Ineos having only one GC rider to protect. |
That’s a shame. Will be up in Verbier for a look on Friday in case any other SH’s are there and want to say hello
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Poster: A snowHead
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| JohnMo wrote: |
| Tao Geoghegan Hart crashing out is a real disappointment. I guess it makes things easier for Ineos having only one GC rider to protect. |
Fractured hip it seems.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| BobinCH wrote: |
Will be up in Verbier for a look on Friday in case any other SH’s are there and want to say hello |
So frustrating. We are back out a week on Monday. I would love to have gone over to the peak between Verbier and La Tsoumaz given that I ski there so often. Still looking forward to watching it on TV.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| JohnMo wrote: |
| BobinCH wrote: |
Will be up in Verbier for a look on Friday in case any other SH’s are there and want to say hello |
So frustrating. We are back out a week on Monday. I would love to have gone over to the peak between Verbier and La Tsoumaz given that I ski there so often. Still looking forward to watching it on TV. |
Going to try and ride from Sembrancher to Croix de Cœur this morning so we can laugh at out snail like speed compared to the pros 
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Todays route shortened!
Due to the adverse weather conditions, especially on the Italian side of the border, the Commission has decided to meet the athletes’ demands by applying the Extreme Weather Protocol. Stage 13 will thus be shortened, with the new Km 0 being set in the town of Le Chable, at the entrance to the Croix de Coeur. The final part of the stage will remain unchanged. The stage timetable will also remain unchanged.
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That should make for some lightning speeds on the climb!
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| BobinCH wrote: |
| That should make for some lightning speeds on the climb! |
It'll make the front if the race entertaining but at the back will make the eliminatin time very tight for the sprinters as they'll be losing time almost from km zero.
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Looks tricky at the top of Croix de Cœur (2100m) - snow banks and meltwater making a mess of the gravel!
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They've just started - looks dry at the bottom!
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An entertaining day at the front but disappointing that the GC riders kept their powder dry on both climbs that presented opportunities. It will be nice seeing them doing the Simplon Pass tomorrow.
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@BobinCH, I presume you were not one of the paragliders hanging around at the top of the Croix de Coeur. Given how miserable it was surprised so many spectators cycled or walked up. It looked pretty dodgy for the first part of the descent though it does seem an interesting climb, I wonder if the Tour will use it at some point.
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