 Poster: A snowHead
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Now I have been skiing for two decades, in some Tecnincas in the beginning an then in Dynafit Zeero4 AT boots ever since they came out. Now on the 4th shell of the late Zzero4 edition with the full carbon cuff rear. Got along with these well (with Intuitions), but hey, it's about time for something new and more recent. I ski some 50 days/season.
I mostly ski resort and off piste these days- touring functionality is a great bonus bit I could keep my ZZeros for that for another 1 or 2 yrs.
Feet are spot on 27cm long, 95 wide unweighted, up to almost 100 weighted depending on how you measure. Instep about 7cms. relatively squared off shape, not pointy toes style.
Dynafit shell is nominally 27.5 and has BSL of 306. Shell fit is a bit more than a finger, probably 15mm.
For ne boots I am thinking either alpine or hybrid. Walk/Dyn Inserts are a bonus as mentioned.
Size wise, I can very comfortably try on any 27.5 boot on the market pretty much, with usually some room in front of my toes I think.
26.5 feels crunched/hitting the front in any boot tried on so far.
I am willing to have some boot work done, but then again, I am not willing to risk black toe nails or bone deformations for 5% better performance.
What it the consensus in terms of boot length? Can I risk buying a 26.5 that feels somewhat crunched and work with that?
I know bot hold/fit is nothing to do with toe space as such 
For reference, a Cochise 27.5 feels long and loose to me. 27.5 promachine long but more snug.
Thanks in advance!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@danbre2022, go see a boot fitter, buy what they suggest.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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sure, but then again...knowing where to start and to identify "off" suggestions can't hurt
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@danbre2022, personally I agree with @under a new name and go see a specialist ski boot fitter. I wouldn't go in with any preconception of what boot is the right boot, just knowledge of your skiing ability and aspirations, and trust them to make the right boot choice for you.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@danbre2022, nah, your preconceptions will just get in the way.
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@danbre2022, half sizes don't actually exist - the shell is the same for 27.0 and 27.5, 26.0 and 26.5, etc.
The shop can easily expand a shell but it's difficult to make it smaller. Hence if anything the boot a fitter selects may be a bad tight or have pressure points until modified.
Width of the shell is important and they vary by manufacturer (the "last"). Fitter will know which are which.
You will do well to find a good fitting boot by yourself, buying off the shelf and making no modifications.
Best thing to do, as mentioned by others is to simply go to a good i.e., recommended boot fitter. Take your old boots, give them all your info (what/how you ski), let them do all their measurements, answer all their questions and then let them get to work. They will have a fit guarantee so if you go skiing and experience some issues you can take them back so they can sort it out.
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@danbre2022, If you have that much experience with normal feet you should be able to find a boot that fits off the shelf. You probably need to go to a store with a more choice.
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oh well, feet aren't any weird, maybe ankles protude a bit more than usual.
back to the original question, all 27.5ers feel really long, plenty of space in front of the toes. in almost all 26ers i bang the toes.
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@danbre2022, as others have said, see a good boot fitter. From your description, I'd expect you to fit into at least some 26.5s (probably with your toes touching the ends until you flex forward) and the boot fitter would be able to make space from there. So something doesn't quite add up for me.
As an example, my feet measure 262 and 263 mm, yet I fit comfortably into 25.5s (and swim in 26.5s in the same and other boots). I doubt I would have worked that out without a good fitter though, because I need work done on instep height to make it comfortable. So just trying on 25.5s wouldn't have worked.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| danbre2022 wrote: |
| oh well, feet aren't any weird, maybe ankles protude a bit more than usual. |
Didn't say they were weird just that they didn't sound normal, if there is such a thing. For a start you said "Because with nothing done, I never have my soles flat on the ground."
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| back to the original question, all 27.5ers feel really long, plenty of space in front of the toes. in almost all 26ers i bang the toes. |
That's not a question, it's a statement. Are you doing a shell test or just trying the boots with liners on? Do you know how to do a shell test? Assuming correct, if the 27's are too spacious then you don't want those but want the 26's and get them worked on by a boot fitter (to create a bit of space).
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Yes I absolutely know how a shell fit is done/measured.
Still, opinions on the interpretatuon seem to vary a fair bit.
26.5 typically gives me a 1 finger fit.
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@danbre2022, this is what Colin from S4F said:
https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?p=3391333&highlight=shell+test#3391333
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shell check, possibly the first and most valuable thing a boot fitter can do, empty shell toes just tickling the front, depending on skier level and foot volume the results should show the length of the boot.... now, a recreational skier doing 1 week a year is going to want a different fit form an experienced skier doing 4-5 weeks to an instructor or a racer.... this is all about tolerance to compression (fit tension) some feet can tolerate more pressure than others, MOST recreational skier should be in a boot with 15-20mm behind the heel some will not tolerate this, so the basic rule is.... if it is more than 25mm chuck it away as too big (remember there is 10mm between shell sizes) a good performance fit is somewhere 12-15mm, and a few people will want smaller and tighter than this... not oly will the shell check gauge length but can be used to assess width and heel instep perimeter clearance
here's the rub in 35 years of fitting ski boots people always tell us they want no heel movement but they don't want their toes at the front of the boot, they are expert skiers and they NEED a performance fit... 1 in 5 possibly can tolerate that very tight performance fit, the vast majority actually need something a little less aggressive 15-20mm BUT this all comes down to tolerance, ski technique AND our old friend flexibility.... if you are unable to flex your ankle properly due to tight calves or whatever other reason then you are going to need more help than a simple shell check the very fact that there are 10mm between each shell size means the fitter needs various brands t get the closest fit, some run short most run long, so it is not uncommon to drop a size from hat the measurer says.... this is where the resort "seller" looks like a hero when you go in with any pain ... foot measures 26 but boots are 25.5 they are obviously too small! go figure
go wherever you go, but if your fitter doesn't measure you both seated and standing, test flexibility of your ankle joint and perform shell check, i would lock your wallet, make your excuses and leave |
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You know it makes sense.
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In my current boots I have something like a 15-17mm fit. No Issues with MV Pro Tours. Ii checked a ton of boots recently. Most promising 26.5 is the Cochise. Runs relatively long internally it seems. Fits well with my Intuitions, less so with stock. May need a length punch. Will go see a bootfitter next town once they have it back in stock
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Most brands step up their shell size at each full Mondopoint. So that 27 and 27.5 is one shell, while 28 is the next bigger size. Some brands (i.e. Scarpa) change at half Mondo sizes - so 26.5 and 27 is one shell and 27.5 and 28 another. Maybe worth a look.
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